Question about Tinkker's Mustang

[TurboGSR]

Was it ever finished and are there pics?

I haven't been here in probably a year and a half. Pretty much when the downhill slide started I just kind of stopped visiting.

And tonight I was sitting on the toilet reading an old car audio magazine with a mustang GT featured in it and thought to myself, "I wonder if that guy's Mustang who was on carsound ever got finished, oooh this is gonna hurt.":eek:

So, long story short. I was thinking about Tinkker while pooping.:confused:

And I tried searching but nothing related came up with any pics or news.

Is it done? Is it not? Are there pics? Why is the sky blue?

TurboGSR

[off n public]

It probably one of those cars that will never get done because of the owner.

[JBONDOx]

NO, it was not completed, I could probably PM ya with all the reasons, but i am sure TINKKER already did that crying "pity me" Long story short... what off n public said...

but i am sure there will be some stupid comment on this so make some popcorn...

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

I hope you had a good sh*t...lol.
Reason for not getting done...Hmm.
The installers couldn't perform the job.'Didn't care what I wanted.It's not a Cleve. Browns car/Not Mercedes/BMX/Lexus...and so on.The Stang wasn't in his *Class*...and didn't have $$$ fallen' out of the ash tray...for a Tip.Oh damm..almost forgot.BigTime gave me some advice in a PM.Said "Don't Ask anyone here on this forum to do my Install"...Find someone local that will do it"...I'm *Shakey Jake*.Couldn't sleep for the Longest time..Than I found *Lunesta*../=O]...lol.
The 2nd guy [That the 1st dude said "he couldn't stand and tried to ignore his conversation 'cause he wanted him outta his shop ,when he brought the Stang from Michigan to his hole in the wall].had many more excuses than Jeff Foxworthy & Larry the Cable Guy have jokes.
I'm sure his cell phone co. loves him.It's the 1st phone
to send SOS Signals from the bottom of the Mississippi River,pin-pointing it's location.Was getting out of the trade to be an Insurance Saleman....imagine that.
Also took 10/mos. to realize he would have to remove the rear seat back/bottom to install gear...as he was still looking for his phone.
So...Yeah...according to the post above this one...yeah...it's because of the owner/:think:.And everyone here knows it was my doin'.So again...yeah some know all there is to know about everything and anything
It's...*Always Because of the Owner*...nuthin' else.
And the ones that talk the sh*t what they can do *Walk on Water*/Able to Leap Tall Buildings in a Single Bound* are *Never Ever Wrong*./:boring:.He or the 2nd installer aren't the men I believed they were.I thought when I got interested in this stuff,yrs. ago,that when I finally got my pride & joy...this would be a great & fun hobby.*It's not at all the same* as I remember reading in all my mags from several yrs. ago about the fun/comps & new people you met even if you didn't compete.What a shame and waste of time and yrs. believing in something and having it turn into a bad dream,and showing absolutely *No Respect/Concern/Value [To Me]/Etc....and letting it almost turn to sh!t... because of "Neglect for someone else's property" on their part.But...*Yes*..."It's the owner's fault that it's one that will never get done".So Turbo..believe what you may.It doesn't matter.
Best Regards/
Raymond
PS: Almost forgot *Vasta/2*

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

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[JBONDOx]

I hope you had a good sh*t...lol.
Reason for not getting done...Hmm.
The installers couldn't perform the job.'Didn't care what I wanted.It's not a Cleve. Browns car/Not Mercedes/BMX/Lexus...and so on.The Stang wasn't in his *Class*...and didn't have $$$ fallen' out of the ash tray...for a Tip.Oh damm..almost forgot.BigTime gave me some advice in a PM.Said "Don't Ask anyone here on this forum to do my Install"...Find someone local that will do it"...I'm *Shakey Jake*.Couldn't sleep for the Longest time..Than I found *Lunesta*../=O]...lol.
The 2nd guy [That the 1st dude said "he couldn't stand and tried to ignore his conversation 'cause he wanted him outta his shop ,when he brought the Stang from Michigan to his hole in the wall].had many more excuses than Jeff Foxworthy & Larry the Cable Guy have jokes.
I'm sure his cell phone co. loves him.It's the 1st phone
to send SOS Signals from the bottom of the Mississippi River,pin-pointing it's location.Was getting out of the trade to be an Insurance Saleman....imagine that.
Also took 10/mos. to realize he would have to remove the rear seat back/bottom to install gear...as he was still looking for his phone.
So...Yeah...according to the post above this one...yeah...it's because of the owner/:think:.And everyone here knows it was my doin'.So again...yeah some know all there is to know about everything and anything
It's...*Always Because of the Owner*...nuthin' else.
And the ones that talk the sh*t what they can do *Walk on Water*/Able to Leap Tall Buildings in a Single Bound* are *Never Ever Wrong*./:boring:.He or the 2nd installer aren't the men I believed they were.I thought when I got interested in this stuff,yrs. ago,that when I finally got my pride & joy...this would be a great & fun hobby.*It's not at all the same* as I remember reading in all my mags from several yrs. ago about the fun/comps & new people you met even if you didn't compete.What a shame and waste of time and yrs. believing in something and having it turn into a bad dream,and showing absolutely *No Respect/Concern/Value [To Me]/Etc....and letting it almost turn to sh!t... because of "Neglect for someone else's property" on their part.But...*Yes*..."It's the owner's fault that it's one that will never get done".So Turbo..believe what you may.It doesn't matter.
Best Regards/
Raymond
PS: Almost forgot *Vasta/2*

WTF?

[JBONDOx]

my favorite...

Last edited by *MustangGT/25YRS*

What a puss!

[JBONDOx]

I hope you had a good sh*t...lol.
Reason for not getting done...Hmm.
The installers couldn't perform the job.'Didn't care what I wanted.It's not a Cleve. Browns car/Not Mercedes/BMX/Lexus...and so on.The Stang wasn't in his *Class*...and didn't have $$$ fallen' out of the ash tray...for a Tip.Oh damm..almost forgot.BigTime gave me some advice in a PM.Said "Don't Ask anyone here on this forum to do my Install"...Find someone local that will do it"...I'm *Shakey Jake*.Couldn't sleep for the Longest time..Than I found *Lunesta*../=O]...lol.
The 2nd guy [That the 1st dude said "he couldn't stand and tried to ignore his conversation 'cause he wanted him outta his shop ,when he brought the Stang from Michigan to his hole in the wall].had many more excuses than Jeff Foxworthy & Larry the Cable Guy have jokes.
I'm sure his cell phone co. loves him.It's the 1st phone
to send SOS Signals from the bottom of the Mississippi River,pin-pointing it's location.Was getting out of the trade to be an Insurance Saleman....imagine that.
Also took 10/mos. to realize he would have to remove the rear seat back/bottom to install gear...as he was still looking for his phone.
So...Yeah...according to the post above this one...yeah...it's because of the owner/:think:.And everyone here knows it was my doin'.So again...yeah some know all there is to know about everything and anything
It's...*Always Because of the Owner*...nuthin' else.
And the ones that talk the sh*t what they can do *Walk on Water*/Able to Leap Tall Buildings in a Single Bound* are *Never Ever Wrong*./:boring:.He or the 2nd installer aren't the men I believed they were.I thought when I got interested in this stuff,yrs. ago,that when I finally got my pride & joy...this would be a great & fun hobby.*It's not at all the same* as I remember reading in all my mags from several yrs. ago about the fun/comps & new people you met even if you didn't compete.What a shame and waste of time and yrs. believing in something and having it turn into a bad dream,and showing absolutely *No Respect/Concern/Value [To Me]/Etc....and letting it almost turn to sh!t... because of "Neglect for someone else's property" on their part.But...*Yes*..."It's the owner's fault that it's one that will never get done".So Turbo..believe what you may.It doesn't matter.
Best Regards/
Raymond
PS: Almost forgot *Vasta/2*


Now, now Ray... maybe you need to get back on your meds... or is it amnesia? Are you that much of a moron that you didn't understand what was going on... now you had 500lbs of crap that you wanted installed, 2-3 people said you are going about it in the wrong way. but wait, you know it all. you are going to tell 3 different pro's how to install? you had a $1 flea market horn in your dash where your mid was. You screwed up your vehicle but blamed everyone else, but in person while inspecting it, you told me you did over 90% of that. You also tried to drive a wedge between me, Dobson, and Will, which you effectively did with all your BS and more BS.

So seriously Ray do you really want to pursue this further because i can start posting pics... of all your gear, or all your idea, of all your notes that i scanned in, not to mention the ideas and pics that i drew up .

You cry that you don't have baller money like the big bad NFL players :cry: your job was what we call a mercy fuk in the business, something to occupy the free time. you wanted to spend about $7500 correct? but wanted $40k worth of work? Am I correct... sure am, and have proof to back it up, not to mention 2 other very respected installers and shop owners (1 is) So let's see, stop what you are doing, which is about $40-$50k a week to spend a month installing Rays shiet? No! It was on my time when I had it. Do you think when Lebron James Walks in and states he wants to add a days worth of work that makes money, which pays the bills, feeds multiple families, then i am going to say, hey LBJ, i can't do it now because the rustang needs 2 6 inch midbasses in the door that won't fit anyways? You are out of your rabbet arse mind!

So Ray... keep opening your dumb arse mouth and playing the victim... you wasted my time lugging around your POS! Maybe suck up to curious George and have him do your system

BTW, go get a life. you can't even type legibly, you think you are all cutesy playing this BS game, how old are you? You need constant attention, your stupid posts, stupid replies, stupid typing, stupid emails, stupid phone calls... oh yeah, he even said he was dying... you are STUPID... and the funny part of it, you are such a loser, you bring your wife into it... poor Pat...poor Pat... It is all because of you! not anyone else...

Your selfishness and ignorance is why you spent all your money on a vehicle that you ruined trying to do an install... and then drew Pat into it... oh poor me.... oh poor me

BITE ME!

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

Ahhh Yess. Navy Seal Key Board Commando j~Bong~O gives his honest & truthful statements...as always.
As I repeat....your wording...is hazy and *Ignored*.
You're nothing...as you were on PG's Forum.
If you put as much effort in your work as you do w/your *Big Mouth*...you might be an installer.
But...all the *riff * resin burnt you up.
Go back to the Sewer projects in Ohio.

[JBONDOx]

I guess the truth hurts Ray, Is that the best you can do? Your a puss, move on...

[EcotecRacer]

I'm sorry but some of the best installers are on this site, and read on this site and the rest of them? Well they are all in contact with each other...... They know a ****ty customer by either the car or name alone and you sir, have made your name well known to them all.
Installers try to save you from doing stupid things, cause they see it day after day.... Nothing wrong with that, they are not forcing you to do it their way, just making suggestions to make the system something you will enjoy and not try to bad mouth them over.

Trust me I know back when I was younger and before college/real world lifestyle. I wasted ALOT of installers time, ****ed alot of them off.....Then I sucked it up, paid upfront got an install that was good enough for me to sell my truck at a truck show, made extra off it and the install enough to my garage now holds more cars than I need, and know how to do systems for each one and am waiting til I ahve all the gear ready/money ready and will then be doing the same thing again

Go to installer with X gear, and Y amount of money and give them idea of what I want the finished product to look like, work from there and come pick up when done!
Maybe you should realize this and try it ;)


Next off I suggest a good quality typing class......or atleast 5th grade typing 101, so it's easier to read your post than to just think "**** this guy really is stupid he can not even type a sentence, let alone hire an installer"

Ohh and sympathy stories,,,,,,,,,,,**** that ****, you want sympathy from someone, then Pray, we all have our own issues and demons in our lives your's are no more serious than the next person.


Ok done ranting

[JBONDOx]

:dance::dance::dance::dance:

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

I'm sorry but some of the best installers are on this site, and read on this site and the rest of them? Well they are all in contact with each other...... They know a ****ty customer by either the car or name alone and you sir, have made your name well known to them all.
Installers try to save you from doing stupid things, cause they see it day after day.... Nothing wrong with that, they are not forcing you to do it their way, just making suggestions to make the system something you will enjoy and not try to bad mouth them over.

Trust me I know back when I was younger and before college/real world lifestyle. I wasted ALOT of installers time, ****ed alot of them off.....Then I sucked it up, paid upfront got an install that was good enough for me to sell my truck at a truck show, made extra off it and the install enough to my garage now holds more cars than I need, and know how to do systems for each one and am waiting til I ahve all the gear ready/money ready and will then be doing the same thing again

Go to installer with X gear, and Y amount of money and give them idea of what I want the finished product to look like, work from there and come pick up when done!
Maybe you should realize this and try it ;)


Next off I suggest a good quality typing class......or atleast 5th grade typing 101, so it's easier to read your post than to just think "**** this guy really is stupid he can not even type a sentence, let alone hire an installer"

Ohh and sympathy stories,,,,,,,,,,,**** that ****, you want sympathy from someone, then Pray, we all have our own issues and demons in our lives your's are no more serious than the next person.


Ok done ranting
**************^^^^^^^^^^^^^^*********
Ok dude.No one said my probs were worse/better/the same.No one said all the installers were bad.
My typing may suck...but oh..well.Fifth Grade/Elementary.Who cares...It's the content,right?
First off people that have made comments...don't know me/who I am...nothing.Only from what I said.When people say it's the owners fault....well I guess there like "Ask Jeeves".They know all.
There's no sympathy that's needed from anyone here.
I've had notes on what I wanted for years.
So putting it in Layman's Terms.If you didn't or don't
want to do what I ask[My Car & My $$$]...Don't offer/Say you will/or Blow Smoke.
They wasted my time & money...but that's okay...right? They didn't care to do anything I had envisioned.
Did you know or have any idea what my plans/desires/dreams or setup was or entailed?
I know that installers are brothers and talk...and that's fine.Again,Ecotec,every customer's desire/setup/materials/design layout is different/right? Because of what I wanted...that's no good.My equipment is no good.The Stang's no good.And last but not least,the customer[me]is no good
Believe what you want,sir,...but you were not or anyone else was there at the shops when the talking was goin' on about the Stang,right?
You can believe the great one...that's your choice.I don't care.
My wife & I was here and there,at different places over
the years and were the only ones that dealt w/these shops.No one here was present at any of the shops to hear the conversations,right?.
We lost over $14,000.00 in monies/hotels/gas/tolls etc.
But that's nothin' right? Chump change.In the spring,when things start to blossom again,especially my money tree,I'll start grabbing the $100 bills off it,and start all over again/:).Don't know if you've ever heard this saying."Money doesn't Care who Spends it".

He should pay more attention to his work instead of playing Keyboard idiot.
But again...in everyone's eyes and mind here...I'm wrong.Again...no sympathy required.
So be it.But as said earlier wether you read it or not...the hobby *was* a fun sport & hobby.
I and other people see it "Fading Away".It's not anywhere near what it was before.More cars/more competitions/
people,etc.Right? Ohhh..I wrong again.
Anyways,wether you like/dislike/hate me...doesn't matter.That's the way of this world today.It's about the
Hate & Discontent/Back Stabbing/Etc.
But I do hope you have a Nice Day & Happy 2008 to you & yours...believe it or not.
Best Regards/
Raymond
*************
End of BS.If people want to continue here w/this...be my guest.And even though you dislike my typing/etc.
Read the one part of the sig about people liking & disliking.Later...

[EcotecRacer]

Wow would you like some stock in Kleenex or what, i can hook you up.

All you say is well your version, I know several installers including ones you refer too and to be honest..... If a job brings money, if a job brings a true challenge they are up for the task.......if the customer looks to be an issue, no money, car or equipment is truly going to matter, as they want to avoid the headache(s)


I can not speak for car audio but I can speak for the market
I'm work with a Performance shop, one that see's alot of world class cars......then we have people that come in with their own equipment,car, ideas and when we will tehm "well this is a waste, this is unsafe etc..." well all of a sudden it's
"these guys would not do my install, they have no clue what they are doing, they wasted my time and money etc..."
all of a sudden we know nothing
we own the fastest Single Turbo Supra in the US, we built the fastest known track timed Evo IX, and we have the second fastest Ecotech(second only to GM's very own version), yet we were dumbass's that would not install products into cars of owners that would kill themselves and people around them.....

In other words, waste a professionals time and you are marked with all the other professionals.........so no matter where you go, someone has already heard about you and the issues and they are already prepared to make it rough on you JUST to test and see how sincere you are in a deal or if you are just blowing smoke as you like to put it.


I know Jim only on these forums and from some phone calls and sketches he made me etc... Does he have an ego? **** yeah he does, but you know what? When it comes to performance on vehicles I have that same issue.......When you do it so long and you do it with the best are are noted for it........the ego comes along.......some show it in their attitude/presentation to others, some show it simply in their work(ie the type I am)


Example I own a 455hp Acura Integra, it's my daily driver has been for some time cause I literally built the car from the frame up
I now own a Solstice GPX with a Hahn turbo, 24lbs of boost and 480whp on a Mustang Dyno, guess what..........the Solstice is stock otherwise, when everyone in the book BUT the ego maniacs at Mallet told me me different(everyone said the Ecotec can't be boosted, it cant handle more power on the block, etc...) my only issue and just like Mallet told me it would be(i didn't listen) is traction, I have none! I have to baby the car all way to 3rd to keep it straight..........guess what.... they knew it before I did it and could of saved me alot of money and headaches........15psi of boost and the car is drivable just like they said

In other words go to the pros and you will be put into your place, not cause they are assholes and think they know it all , but cause truly they are just as passionate about this stuff as we all are, and they are looking at for their store rep and your safety(wellbeing, money, life, family etc... however you want to put it)

Installers do not want to do an install for a customer that is just going to hurt their business(well installers with pride in what they do atleast)

And for your info, your typing isnt the issue its your lack of grammar and sentence structure that makes it damn near impossible to understand what you are trying to state in your post.

[JBONDOx]

I'll see the Mallett Guys in Feb, they will be by my booth. It's been a few months since i seen Chuck, Charlie, and Lance.

I will put up some pics later ;)

[EcotecRacer]

What they got going on? Rumor has it they have their own version of the ZR1 vette coming out in 200whateverish lol
I know they built a 900whp Chevy Cobalt for a Frank Harrington(spelling) from Texas

Jim you can email me, I sent you an email recently, with info on Mallet
Are you attending CES?

[JBONDOx]

yes i will be there tues-thurs

[TurboGSR]

Hmmm, for some reason I'm gonna have to believe all except tinkker on this one. Due to the simple fact that the car is not finished and has apparently been to several more shops after esoteric's.

And yes, you can blame everyone else for it not being done. But I really think you need to look in the mirror on this one and realize that the 12 shops this car has been at haven't sucked. And it's quite possible that the owner is just a pain in the *** and is worth more trouble than money. And Jim's right, from the beginning this project seemed to be a pity job. I remember all the bitching and moaning and "poor me's". And this car will never get done to your satisfaction. What you need to realize with installers is that you can give them a basic idea of what you want and where you want it, but they are ALWAYS gonna have the final say in how the final product will look. Otherwise, they're gonna tell you where you can shove it. "Sure, you want three amps under that seat? Ok, it's gonna cost three grand. You don't have three grand? Well, then we can do it this way. Hmmm, you don't wanna spend that much either? Have a nice day."

So, sorry to hear the car's not done, but I've never heard of a person not being able to find an installer to take car of their car for them. I've had projects I've started for customers, they'd be in twice a day, questioning everything, watching me work, get upset when I started doing another customer's car. And I would tell them, "You can either leave me alone and let me do what I do, or I'll push this car out of here right now and you can figure out how to put it back together." There was only a single time where I ended up pushing a car out of the shop. And I think you probably share the same over-involved, highly controlling, anal-retentive personality as that customer. Sure, I lost a couple of bucks in the short term, but long term, I didn't have to deal with that *******, which probably saved me thousands.

Best of luck to you in your visits to the next 100 car audio shops that end up the same way.

Oh, and if you want someone to do quality work for you and put up with your crap, pay what they ask, drop off the car, and don't call them until a day or two before the car's supposed to be ready and just check in.

[EcotecRacer]

So, sorry to hear the car's not done, but I've never heard of a person not being able to find an installer to take car of their car for them. I've had projects I've started for customers, they'd be in twice a day, questioning everything, watching me work, get upset when I started doing another customer's car. And I would tell them, "You can either leave me alone and let me do what I do, or I'll push this car out of here right now and you can figure out how to put it back together." There was only a single time where I ended up pushing a car out of the shop. And I think you probably share the same over-involved, highly controlling, anal-retentive personality as that customer. Sure, I lost a couple of bucks in the short term, but long term, I didn't have to deal with that *******, which probably saved me thousands.





Funny you mention that, at Balanced Performance I remember doing this to 2 vehicles, both owned by the same guy. Shop maybe lost some money on it(both were in their for complete engine rebuilds and forced induction work) yet the owner of the shop said it wouldn't work out with the customer and may end up of costing the shop more in the long run.

[audioproz]

I'm not disagreeing in that this whole thing is a bad situation but I'd love to be the person you told to figure out how to put my car back together myself, lol. If that had ever happened in the real world to me you'd be pickin' up your teeth with a shop-vac. Professional installers make it sound like they're on the same level as superstars and nasa employees. Ummmm, back of the bus dude. You hook up radios and amps and things that make noise and get oooooh's and ahhhhs (don't get me wrong I love it too but you're not curing cancer). So that rockstar attitude of "don't push me or you'll be sorry" attitude is to be completely honest a joke. Yup, it's bread and butter for the average joe installer with a few people here and there that have made a great career out of it. lol, I really can't stop laughing about the reassembly comment. When I lay down money and we are "doing business" the truth be told is I'm your boss. No discussion, debates, period. I'll pay for what I think I need. If your opinion is valued and needed I may listen,I may not but in the end it's....... "You do what I told you to do because my money in your hand makes it so." and if you push me on it you'll stop what you're doing . You will reassemble my car like it was the day before you laid hands on it. I will pay you for your labor and materials, and we'll be on our separate ways. jbx- good installer, total doorknob :)

That has to be the most retarded statement i have ever heard! You pay your doctor money too but do you go in his office telling him how you want him to diagnose you? NO! And im pretty sure if you did he would point to the wall and ask you did you spend all those years in med school and if so what are you doin in his office? Do you tell the surgeon how to operate? Doubt it and if i was your surgeon and you tried to tell me how to do my job you might wake up with A**hole carved in your head! So whether you pay money to someone or not if you want something done right and you cant do it yourself then it seems you have to take the PROFESSIONALS word for it that this is what needs to be done. None of these guys have "rockstar attitudes" What they have is knowledge, and its obvious that you its knowledge that you dont have otherwise you would not be in their face asking them to install your stereo! Im and installer have been for a while and i dont take kindly to someone telling me how to do MY JOB! I dont come to Burger King and tell you when to flip the burgers so tell me how to install a stereo in car cause if you could do it yourself you would'nt be looking to me to do it. Wait i know you dont have the time cause you are so busy right? No you want it dont right so you came to the PROFESSIONAL! Tinker sorry your car did'nt get done but the bottom line is this when it comes to custom work sometimes it cant always be your way sometimes it has to be a compromise and if you can't say hey this man has worked on plenty of cars and may know a thing or two about this let me take what he's saying into consideration and maybe we can come to a conclusion together!I know you have a dream or an idea of what you want but sometimes things happen that will cause you to have to alter that dream to fit. These installers have studied alot of things, it may not be rocket science or brain surgery but it does require thought and education. Its not all just hooking up a red wire and a black wire!

[EcotecRacer]

And alot of pro's when it comes to something that is wrong, make them look bad, you could complaina bout later etc... will tell you to F off, they have enough cliental to tell the assholes off and not worry about it

I am not just talking car audio, but in general
If you take your vehicle to someone for anything it's cause they can do it better than you could/can/will ever........IE that makes them a pro at it and you well just a check writer

Dunno about in NY, but locally atleast shops I know of, you bug the guys about stuff, always sitting around watching and annoying them...you very well could be picking up your car in whatever condition it's in and have to find someone else to do the work. I've seen it happen
I've seen customers have to bring a flat bed to the shop to pick up their vehicle cause well they annoyed the boss enough he didnt find it worth his time......Sure people say they will sue, seek legal action, but alot of contracts cover them from the start and well not much can be done other than get your vehicle and move on and **** off someone else.....

[JBONDOx]

Dude, you called me a doorknob? Wow, weren't you the nurse, or pecker checker that thinks he knows it all. Let me explain something to you really quick, you aren't curing cancer, you are treating patients with it. But let's see who is.... Oh yeah the guy that was in broadcast and plays around with RF waves... closer to our field than yours... seems he has made more progress in a short time than all the doctors in the field over the past 100 years...

http://www.wesh.com/health/14616742/detail.html

So who is the door knob? You? I agree!

And i tell you what, when you are at my shop. It is my way, my stuff, and my decisions... otherwise take your happy arse and move on. I am not going to be messing with some POS crap that you heard through the internet is the end all greatest gadget. time is money, and i do it right the first time, my way, and it doesn't come back for problems and works flawlessly

And yo nurse, i work on a lot of doctors vehicles who admit they know nothing about what i do nor want to, though they are always amazed, from Pediatricians from Rainbows, rated the best in the USA, and heart surgeons from one of the leading clinics in the world, located right here.

I will leave it there and try not to make it spiral further out of control

[JBONDOx]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3810892

While he was undergoing chemotherapy he decided there has to be a better way to fight this illness. And even though he wasn't a doctor, he figured he could figure it out himself.

[JBONDOx]

Actually, you need us more....

nope, not people like you or Vasta.

Here is the other thing, customer comes in, i give them a price of the complete package, Vehicle in motion piece. Price is too high for him, plus he wants his unit that he heard so much stuff about on the internet... he goes down the road, vehicle was on a flatbed back at the shop 3 days later. He avoided me when i walked in... I guess he didn't want me to tell him told you so. A know it all penny pincher, which in the long run, Bought a new SAM, new command DVD unit, new command system cover. ash tray and cup holder because it was all scratched up, and labor to the tune of $3,900. not to mention a $1k to have me interface to his system. all because of his know it all cheap arse plan... BTW we were nice to replace the command under warranty saving him $6k

[EcotecRacer]

Well this kind of crap gets hashed out before anything is done. Both parties need to be crystal clear to avoid just that scenario. I'm sorry but at $40-$80/hr labor plus materials and most likely the gear you bought from that shop buys you a negligible amount of face to face interaction. How much should be mutually determined before the start. What one finds annoying may just be a consumer is genuinely interested in the process and I think to not be "involved" in a competition level install is just plain stupid. I maybe the checkwriter, but don't get confused, I'm calling the shots and if I'm dealing with an egomaniac installer/shop that doesn't understand this then I wouldn't want their services. You could attempt to say well I have enough business to not need yours. However, on the whole we the consumers are needed by you just as much we need you. Actually, you need us more....

I wasnt a car audio installer, rate is 125 an hr , and if you bring your own gear it's 200 an hour

We have built some of the fastest drag cars on the circuit, people bring their vehicles to the shop, say I want this "IE I want it to be the fastest safe legal streetable vehicle you can make it" .........do you see where that could go? this is why money upfront talks the biggest talk and gets the most attention

Now when we build a world class racing machine, we were in contact with the owner each time something went on with the vehicle for approval, not so much we wanted their input on it but we wanted to make sure that the X amount needed to do just that work was approved.......

Personally the shop has been in business for 18years currently, turning away the assholes hasn't hurt it yet and I doubt it ever will.
When you set world records, build bulletproof engines, your track record speakers higher than any upset treehugging ******* could hurt your business.

A degree does not make you the best man for the job, your past resume' and experience makes you....... A degree is nothing more than a reason to have alot of debt and drive a car you have no clue how to use half the items in...........

I say this and i am in school for my Masters, but I know that real life experience has added up for alot more than i have learned in school and real life experience has gotten me my current job(fixed the ladies car when she was broke down on 675, talked, all of a sudden my application to ATT was on top and I was getting the job)
know what though? making very low 6figures is great, but I'd pick up a wrench any day of the week and take the less money, cause cause then I am doing something i know the average joe cant do......

[JBONDOx]

You can take your happy arse down the road any day of the week. I wouldn't let your education go to your head, you were proven a tool and just don't know it yet

[EcotecRacer]

LMAO why would I want to be an attorney, or any other profession as you put it? I like where I am, I dont have to have my lips on someone elses *** like yourself to make it in this world ;)

and just so you know my field of study? Electrical Engineer, I'm Research and Design specialist for AT&T, I'm on the bottom of my field, clearing 6figures, with ability to see 5x that amount in my line of work.........big freaking deal.......common sense and mechnical know how got me the job, not sucking off someone higher on the ladder than me, like you seem to be ready to do in this world

Ohh and the best part? MMA fighting/teaching has paid for nearly 50% of my college degree with only 6months left to go for a Masters degree.......so guess you don't have to be a dork or *** kisser to really make it huh

Everyone has a right to have control of a situation, including your installer by telling you to blow him and get out of the shop ;)

You truly do have the greater than thou attitude in your post, and that shows me how sorry of a man you must be to think you are better ;)

[TurboGSR]

[quote=EcotecRacer;650304]I wasnt a car audio installer, rate is 125 an hr , and if you bring your own gear it's 200 an hour


A degree does not make you the best man for the job, your past resume' and experience makes you....... A degree is nothing more than a reason to have alot of debt and drive a car you have no clue how to use half the items in...........

You won't be a physician, attorney or any other profession under those terms and line of thinking. Education with credentials sets the minimum standard in this world to obtain true "profession" status leaving out anomolies such as pro athlete, familial wealth, hitting the lotto and so on. It says I have been prepared formally and posess x amount of skills to do job y. Truth be told nursing isn't even a professional degree. Anytime you have multiple routes to obtain one job (ie 4yr 2 yr degree)you aren't a professional. Car audio installers don't even scratch the surface of those criteria and never will. Who cares!? Me. I've earned the right to have some control over things affecting me. I hire you, you agree to the job. You do the job to my satisfaction or I fire you.

You need to know something. Right here, right now. Having a degree doesn't make you anything. Can it get you a job interview? Sure, if you're completely socially retarded and don't know how to make contacts. I may not have a college diploma, but I damn sure make more than enough money to not have to worry about expenses. And as far as installing not being a real profession? You can lick a fat sweaty ballsack, I busted my hump as an installer for damn near ten years, and there was not a single night I went home unsatisfied with my work. Remember the saying "those who can, do. those who can't, teach." Half of your college professors never got real jobs, and those who did failed miserably and now teach others because they can't get back into the field for one reason or another.

So stop looking down your nose at other people who don't have a real "edumacation". I'd hire someone with experience over someone with a piece of paper any day of the week. But if your college diploma makes you feel warm and fuzzy, and helps you relate to other people, then grats. You are officially socially handicapped and need to learn to relate to people without feeling like less of a person because you haven't finished your education.

And a college boy has never been able to knock out my teeth, it's always been the scraps with the unkempt masses that have been the toughest. So, before you start telling me you're gonna knock my teeth out if I come at you with that attitude. You have to remember, the school of hard knocks teaches you something college never will. Practical applications of survival of the fittest.

[JBONDOx]

hmmm, seeing that i was a high school drop out (joined the Military in my senior year and got a GED) I know I make a better income than you any day of the week. Further, I had/have enough credits to pursue a degree if I wanted to, however it just never interested me. Some people need certificates on their "I love me" wall... to justify themselves in life, I am not one of those... I can imagine your wall though... The Richard Cranium award for the past 10 years....:boring:

[JBONDOx]

Wow you beat me by a few grand... too bad I did the DARE Vehicle for free... maybe if I would of stayed in school :rolleyes:

[soundqualitysentra]

I'd like to see the pics of this mustang that was mentioned earlier

[JBONDOx]

And BTW, my benefits package is paid for.

[Turbo23]

To think, all this started from someone trying to take a sheott.

Its amazing what comes out when your on the toilet.
-A grumpy old crusty man with an unobtainable goal
-An angry crna that thinks he can buy anyone to do anything cause he thinks he has a big brain.

[Curious George]

Hahahahahaha, I love it!

[EcotecRacer]

Wow you have all those degrees, I'm working on one single and I'm within 5k of what you clear a year......Ohh yeah and I'm merely 26 and still just working on a Masters Degree.............geez maybe I should allow my head to swell big as yours and think I'm king ****ing kong of the city

Glad I got a set of balls and know that pieces of paper doesnt make me a better man than the next man.

[EcotecRacer]

My point was pretty clear but i guess your book smart dumb *** did not get the point so
YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A **** ;) now go have a great day
I am off to catch a plane to Vegas and enjoy my week.....ohh **** I guess I am delaying my masters even more, damn me for my troubles

[HCCAfan]

[quote=TurboGSR;650314]

dude, we travel in different circles....Those who can, hire the grunts to do their bidding. Also, without any kind of "diploma" you speak of, you're not even fit to throwout cliche's like those who can't teach, lol. And yup, if you dump my car of unfinished out of annoyance and spite, you're going to have a big problem. Stop trying to defend being a bottom feeder.
call em a grunt while ur trying to hire their services........ see how far that gets ya......
Why do people that have no clue in life think everyone will obey the mighty dollar? Too bad your college degree doesnt come with common sense, or else you would see not everyone worships the dollar, specially ones from know-it-all's.


Well, as a crna working now in Tampa, I cleared 131k this year. Which day of the week were you looking at? Thats why you're a bottom feeder because you never to aspire to be anything more.....whatever. I love car audio despite having to deal with ppl like you. And my wall isn't big, but enough. One bachelors, one masters, and ultimately esq. lol, you do have bragging rights for being the one to install the biggest shiny ghetto wheels on your ever so important "clients". Bling on sir, bling on.......and I wouldn't exactly go announcing that I was a hs drop-out, it's just lame these days....

all those degrees and still not a lick of common sense. somethings you just cant buy, for everything else there's mastercard .......

You keep spouting off how everyone should do things your way, because either you have an education and/or money. Whoopty shyt, there are more people than just you with education and/or money, and they know better than you do to let people who know what their doing to work their magic. Sure, you work out a basic plan with the installer, but it will always be the installers choice to make the final decisions. Just like in your profession, an installer will never tell you what to do to make him healthy again. The patient tells you he wants to be healthy, and gives you his trust to make them just that, because you are the professional in that field. The same thing applies at a car audio shop, you give them your outline of what you want/need, the installer makes the decisions on how to get it there and consoles with you if any comprimises have to be made.

Dont think they are singling you and Ray out, we've heard it all before. The classic is the guy with the fiero who wanted 4 subwoofers installed. Already has the equipment, needs an installer to make it happen. You and Ray seem to be lacking the same common sense as that kid......

[JBONDOx]

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-108620655.html

[HCCAfan]

good friggin find jim!! guess we see true colors here.......

[JBONDOx]

I wish i could take credit, but blame dob ;)

[JBONDOx]

I am out till the weekend, heading to CES

[JBONDOx]

although this reminds me of Acura thread where the guy is a BS artist, sex offender... i can see this heading there

[HCCAfan]

lol, well he's the man then ;) Kinda shines light on how fvcked up his head really is.....

[JL@MidwayCarCenter]

although this reminds me of Acura thread where the guy is a BS artist, sex offender... i can see this heading there


Ah, it most certainly does. I wonder how deep we can go with this one................

[DWVW]

Hahahaha.

[imp0rtfan75]

Jim.........you suck bro. You ARE a doorknob. Why the f@#k didnt you call me and tell this thread was here. Jeez. Good job as usual, cutting f#@ckers up. HAHAHA

[extreme1]

Classic NSX_Nick style burn.

[Erniedytn]

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-108620655.html
I had to register just to say:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:dance:

[HCCAfan]

Laugh it up. You may have done the same thing if your husband or wife unexpectedly died. If you want to see how far it goes just know there's more to it then just an intrnet news blurb. Now if any of you would like to say anything else about it in any kind of derrogatory tone I'm giving you caution right now. This was almost 5 years ago. I gave up my license and had it reinstated in the end of 2003 for which I went back for my masters and now pratice as a crna with lifetime drug screens. You wanna take shots at that go ahead lol. It doesn't change what is and you definitely don't know the whole story. And to all those who pass their judgement. During my first set of interviews at Stetson law it was brought to the table and picked apart. I still got in despite what I did. Do you really think you're theonly people to see this!? Everyone has their skeletons which hasnothingto do with brain power, ego trips or whatever. These little arguments and back andforths over the months are trite at best and it usually ends with no harm no foul. This actually crosses the line for me. I can't control it since it's public domain but if you insist on pursuing it again I'm giving you warning. Don't.

-jmf
let me start by saying fvck you. you at first wanted us to believe that we are lesser than you, that we had to bend over backwards for your dollar. now that we find some dirt, you expect us to feel sorry for you since "your only human", no longer better than us as previously implied, and then threaten us to take it no further? WHO THE FVCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You're just another e-thug that thinks everyone should bow down to him, rules dont apply to him, and nobody should have different beliefs. I bet the farther we dig, the more we find out that you might be riding the coattails of someone important in your family..... Just because they seem to be important doesnt make you important, just spoiled.....

[forklift]

wow, ownage. If you ever walked in with that attitude, Id tell you where the door was in a heartbeat. Ive gone toe to toe with tear drop tatted drug sellers and guys with guns and crack baggies in their cars, you would be an easy person to boot! I dont tell you how much morphine to give me (or steal)and you dont tell me how to "just wire" your car

[Turbo23]

Laugh it up. You may have done the same thing if your husband or wife unexpectedly died. If you want to see how far it goes just know there's more to it then just an intrnet news blurb. Now if any of you would like to say anything else about it in any kind of derrogatory tone I'm giving you caution right now. This was almost 5 years ago. I gave up my license and had it reinstated in the end of 2003 for which I went back for my masters and now pratice as a crna with lifetime drug screens. You wanna take shots at that go ahead lol. It doesn't change what is and you definitely don't know the whole story. And to all those who pass their judgement. During my first set of interviews at Stetson law it was brought to the table and picked apart. I still got in despite what I did. Do you really think you're theonly people to see this!? Everyone has their skeletons which hasnothingto do with brain power, ego trips or whatever. These little arguments and back andforths over the months are trite at best and it usually ends with no harm no foul. This actually crosses the line for me. I can't control it since it's public domain but if you insist on pursuing it again I'm giving you warning. Don't.

-jmf


You just don't get it do you? It is all about ethics & you are obviously ethically & morally bankrupt! So the school obviously saw you as a good fit since the majority of lawyers are just as bankrupt as you are.

[SouthEastCustomz]

Wow, best thread i've seen in a long time on here. Thanks for keeping me entertained while i'm waiting for my next customer to come in and tell me what to do.

[Vestax]

Wow, just wow, on that link. Talking about pot calling the kettle black.

[HCCAfan]

is it the meds u stole that has ur mind this messed up? Go away troll.....

[Turbo23]

lol, say what you will but anyway you slice it, I'm still working in said field, moving on to jd in less than 3yr, still command a 6 figure income, and when needed uh this narcotics thief who's morally defunct will at the hand of my dollar tell you, the worker bee installer, the direction of whatever I see fit. If not, you're dismissed....Wait just a second. I don't really have any use for an installer after all. That's right, now I remember, that little link at the bottom reminded me that I do my own work. Now if I need some cog to route my wire through the door jamb, I'll give one of ya a call. I've had to answer to truly powerful people about my actions. I did and life moved on. None of you are truly powerful therefore have no real value to me. Most of you have taken the thug g attitude that you'll bounce people out like me and some of your clientele are drug dealing whatevers. You ppl are in fn fantasy land. I'd venture to say that on this forum there are more installers then shop owners. In reality the installer calls no real shots. If there's a discrepancy the installer crawls up the shop owners *** to complain and then the shop owner makes some kind of decision. I've heard some of the most crazy **** here in the last few days (including my own) You guys act like youre in a cage fight and "we the installers" own you and we'll throw down because we always know what's best. Give me a ****ing break. Most of you are ****ing day-to-day radio installs, some car alarms, remote starters, some basic box building. Sure you have youre custom jobs but the ratio is heavily weighted in the gettem in gettem out strategy. I guess you could "own" someone who thinks they know how it should be done. I guess I should have clarified that well yea I know exactly what should be done and I need confidence in my installer if needed. I don't need attitude and defensiveness because I might be over shoulder looking. That's because I and I'm sure others just don't ****ing trust you. Thre's too many ways for you to short cut and get away with it......that's it.


It is clearly obvious that you are putting as much thought into this discussion as you did in your poor unethical choice to steal those meds.

[CincyR/T]

Nurse pleads guilty to stealing drugs from CRMC
By ANTHONY SYLOR
Staff Reporter
asylor@cortlandstandardnews.net
A registered nurse formerly employed at Cortland Regional Medical Center pleaded guilty Tuesday to drug possession and falsifying business records after being arrested for stealing drugs from the hospital.
This is the second time in three years he has been convicted of stealing narcotics while working as a nurse.
John M. Filapello, 33, of 546 Village Boulevard South, Baldwinsville, pleaded guilty in County Court to first-degree falsifying business records, a felony, and seventh-degree criminal possession of a controlled substance, a misdemeanor.
Filapello admitted he stole narcotics from the hospital during the month of November.
He was hired in November 2004 and was fired on Dec. 28, a hospital official said.
“Over the period of one month or so I started signing out narcotics from the workplace,” he said.
Filapello, who said he had “a chemical dependency,” told the court that no patient was ever deprived of his or her medication as a result of his theft, and that he was never under the influence of the drugs while at work.
Filapello was arrested in January after an investigation from the state Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement discovered he had stolen less than an eighth of an ounce of Demerol from the hospital and then falsified hospital records to cover up the crime, city police said.
This isn’t the first time Filapello has stolen drugs from a hospital where he was employed.
Filapello also was arrested on Sept. 18, 2003, and charged with 15 counts of first-degree falsifying business records and three counts of petit larceny, a misdemeanor, after stealing the same drug from the Oswego Hospital, according to two 2003 articles from the Syracuse Post Standard.
On Oct. 6, 2003, Filapello pleaded guilty to two counts of the felony of which he was originally charged and one count of attempted petit larceny, a misdemeanor. In exchange for his guilty plea, Filapello was referred to Oswego County Drug Court, a second article said.
In spite of the prior drug related convictions Filapello’s nursing license has never been revoked, according to the state Education Department Office of Professional Discipline’s web site.
Jonathan Burman of the department’s communication department said in an e-mail that the state’s Professional Assistance Program “assists professionals who have substance abuse problems, but who have not harmed patients or clients… (they) may voluntarily surrender their licenses while receiving treatment rather than face charges of professional misconduct.”
Participants of this program are confidential and no transcripts are kept of PAP proceedings, according to a Web site Burman referenced in his e-mail.
After a nurse has temporarily surrendered his or her license and finished a treatment program a three-person panel reviews a petition for license restoration, the Web site said.
When asked after the plea if he surrendered his license and participated in this program the last time he was arrested, Filapello declined to comment, simply saying, “It’s public record.”
Cortland Regional Medical Center Marketing Director Tom Quinn said this morning that if Filapello had undergone treatment in PAP prior to being hired, the hospital would have no way of finding out.
“Our policy is to check the New York State Department of Education Web site,” he said, adding that when Filapello was hired, the site showed that he had a valid license.
Quinn said the hospital does not randomly drug test its employees but may request a test if an employee is acting suspiciously. He said the hospital does not conduct criminal background checks and that when Filapello was hired, his last employer gave the hospital a solid recommendation.
“This is extremely rare here,” Quinn said when asked if this has been a problem in the past. “This is the first instance I am aware of.”
Filapello is scheduled for sentencing on April 24.

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

That has to be the most retarded statement i have ever heard! You pay your doctor money too but do you go in his office telling him how you want him to diagnose you? NO! And im pretty sure if you did he would point to the wall and ask you did you spend all those years in med school and if so what are you doin in his office? Do you tell the surgeon how to operate? Doubt it and if i was your surgeon and you tried to tell me how to do my job you might wake up with A**hole carved in your head! So whether you pay money to someone or not if you want something done right and you cant do it yourself then it seems you have to take the PROFESSIONALS word for it that this is what needs to be done. None of these guys have "rockstar attitudes" What they have is knowledge, and its obvious that you its knowledge that you dont have otherwise you would not be in their face asking them to install your stereo! Im and installer have been for a while and i dont take kindly to someone telling me how to do MY JOB! I dont come to Burger King and tell you when to flip the burgers so tell me how to install a stereo in car cause if you could do it yourself you would'nt be looking to me to do it. Wait i know you dont have the time cause you are so busy right? No you want it dont right so you came to the PROFESSIONAL! Tinker sorry your car did'nt get done but the bottom line is this when it comes to custom work sometimes it cant always be your way sometimes it has to be a compromise and if you can't say hey this man has worked on plenty of cars and may know a thing or two about this let me take what he's saying into consideration and maybe we can come to a conclusion together!I know you have a dream or an idea of what you want but sometimes things happen that will cause you to have to alter that dream to fit. These installers have studied alot of things, it may not be rocket science or brain surgery but it does require thought and education. Its not all just hooking up a red wire and a black wire!
***********^^^^^^^^^**************
Hello AudioProz/
I don't know how to grab part of a thread and put that one section in.But I'll make this short.
I "do understand/and agree" that Installers have to make adjustments and may have to alter some things to fit the car.And the Education/Skill/Talent/Design/etc. in this field isn't for everyone.
I drive a Tandem Plow Truck in the winter as part of my job duties as a state higheway maintenance worker for
N.Y.S. D.O.T. The front plow is huge along w/the wing plow/Salt hopper/and all the controls to run everthing in the cab...intimidates people.It's not for everyone.
I sounded off [Because we..[my wife and I] was hurt and it never ends.I know I'm not perfect...never said I was.I never wanted a flashy 'glass install.Just Black Vinyl,my Aluminum/and my Gear.
I was will to give up the rear seat back and bottom
to allow for the gear.Sorry to have annoyed the Installers on here and have disputes all the time.
If it never gets done...so be it.Now...I'm gathering up some Black Interior trim to try and make the switch.I'm 60/yrs.old next month and my wife 63 this month.
So I guess its true what they say about the car audio scene.It's a young guy's thing.I'm not young any more.
Ok...Take Care.Again...sorry to the Installers.
Kind Regards/
Raymond

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

Wow would you like some stock in Kleenex or what, i can hook you up.

All you say is well your version, I know several installers including ones you refer too and to be honest..... If a job brings money, if a job brings a true challenge they are up for the task.......if the customer looks to be an issue, no money, car or equipment is truly going to matter, as they want to avoid the headache(s)


I can not speak for car audio but I can speak for the market
I'm work with a Performance shop, one that see's alot of world class cars......then we have people that come in with their own equipment,car, ideas and when we will tehm "well this is a waste, this is unsafe etc..." well all of a sudden it's
"these guys would not do my install, they have no clue what they are doing, they wasted my time and money etc..."
all of a sudden we know nothing
we own the fastest Single Turbo Supra in the US, we built the fastest known track timed Evo IX, and we have the second fastest Ecotech(second only to GM's very own version), yet we were dumbass's that would not install products into cars of owners that would kill themselves and people around them.....

In other words, waste a professionals time and you are marked with all the other professionals.........so no matter where you go, someone has already heard about you and the issues and they are already prepared to make it rough on you JUST to test and see how sincere you are in a deal or if you are just blowing smoke as you like to put it.


I know Jim only on these forums and from some phone calls and sketches he made me etc... Does he have an ego? **** yeah he does, but you know what? When it comes to performance on vehicles I have that same issue.......When you do it so long and you do it with the best are are noted for it........the ego comes along.......some show it in their attitude/presentation to others, some show it simply in their work(ie the type I am)


Example I own a 455hp Acura Integra, it's my daily driver has been for some time cause I literally built the car from the frame up
I now own a Solstice GPX with a Hahn turbo, 24lbs of boost and 480whp on a Mustang Dyno, guess what..........the Solstice is stock otherwise, when everyone in the book BUT the ego maniacs at Mallet told me me different(everyone said the Ecotec can't be boosted, it cant handle more power on the block, etc...) my only issue and just like Mallet told me it would be(i didn't listen) is traction, I have none! I have to baby the car all way to 3rd to keep it straight..........guess what.... they knew it before I did it and could of saved me alot of money and headaches........15psi of boost and the car is drivable just like they said

In other words go to the pros and you will be put into your place, not cause they are assholes and think they know it all , but cause truly they are just as passionate about this stuff as we all are, and they are looking at for their store rep and your safety(wellbeing, money, life, family etc... however you want to put it)

Installers do not want to do an install for a customer that is just going to hurt their business(well installers with pride in what they do atleast)

And for your info, your typing isnt the issue its your lack of grammar and sentence structure that makes it damn near impossible to understand what you are trying to state in your post.
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Hi Ecotec/
I wasn't tring to hurt anyone's Business/Rep./Pride/Etc.
It's not about that at all...But also...I'm not ditching all my gear for something else.
Again,if it doesn't get done...so be it.I know that I wanted to be happy w/the end result.
I wasn't gonna drop off the car,and a check and say"Here's the Stang/This is what I have to spend.
Make it look nice and see you when it's done". It comes down to my ideas/dreams really didn't matter in the 1st place.
They never really did....

[HCCAfan]

I counted 3 felonies, zero dead spouse excuses. Hmmmm. Isn't it impossible to get on the bar with a felony, let alone 3? hmmmmmm..... The dude is a troll.....

Nurse pleads guilty to stealing drugs from CRMC
By ANTHONY SYLOR
Staff Reporter
asylor@cortlandstandardnews.net
A registered nurse formerly employed at Cortland Regional Medical Center pleaded guilty Tuesday to drug possession and falsifying business records after being arrested for stealing drugs from the hospital.
This is the second time in three years he has been convicted of stealing narcotics while working as a nurse.
John M. Filapello, 33, of 546 Village Boulevard South, Baldwinsville, pleaded guilty in County Court to first-degree falsifying business records, a felony, and seventh-degree criminal possession of a controlled substance, a misdemeanor.
Filapello admitted he stole narcotics from the hospital during the month of November.
He was hired in November 2004 and was fired on Dec. 28, a hospital official said.
“Over the period of one month or so I started signing out narcotics from the workplace,” he said.
Filapello, who said he had “a chemical dependency,” told the court that no patient was ever deprived of his or her medication as a result of his theft, and that he was never under the influence of the drugs while at work.
Filapello was arrested in January after an investigation from the state Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement discovered he had stolen less than an eighth of an ounce of Demerol from the hospital and then falsified hospital records to cover up the crime, city police said.
This isn’t the first time Filapello has stolen drugs from a hospital where he was employed.
Filapello also was arrested on Sept. 18, 2003, and charged with 15 counts of first-degree falsifying business records and three counts of petit larceny, a misdemeanor, after stealing the same drug from the Oswego Hospital, according to two 2003 articles from the Syracuse Post Standard.
On Oct. 6, 2003, Filapello pleaded guilty to two counts of the felony of which he was originally charged and one count of attempted petit larceny, a misdemeanor. In exchange for his guilty plea, Filapello was referred to Oswego County Drug Court, a second article said.
In spite of the prior drug related convictions Filapello’s nursing license has never been revoked, according to the state Education Department Office of Professional Discipline’s web site.
Jonathan Burman of the department’s communication department said in an e-mail that the state’s Professional Assistance Program “assists professionals who have substance abuse problems, but who have not harmed patients or clients… (they) may voluntarily surrender their licenses while receiving treatment rather than face charges of professional misconduct.”
Participants of this program are confidential and no transcripts are kept of PAP proceedings, according to a Web site Burman referenced in his e-mail.
After a nurse has temporarily surrendered his or her license and finished a treatment program a three-person panel reviews a petition for license restoration, the Web site said.
When asked after the plea if he surrendered his license and participated in this program the last time he was arrested, Filapello declined to comment, simply saying, “It’s public record.”
Cortland Regional Medical Center Marketing Director Tom Quinn said this morning that if Filapello had undergone treatment in PAP prior to being hired, the hospital would have no way of finding out.
“Our policy is to check the New York State Department of Education Web site,” he said, adding that when Filapello was hired, the site showed that he had a valid license.
Quinn said the hospital does not randomly drug test its employees but may request a test if an employee is acting suspiciously. He said the hospital does not conduct criminal background checks and that when Filapello was hired, his last employer gave the hospital a solid recommendation.
“This is extremely rare here,” Quinn said when asked if this has been a problem in the past. “This is the first instance I am aware of.”
Filapello is scheduled for sentencing on April 24.

[audioproz]

Tinker Im in no way mad at you. I just really take exception to someone trying to belittle my occupation. I love what i do and for someone to try and reduce it to nothing more than a regular job or trade and not a profession really upsets me. I try hard to be the best at what i do. I may not be on Jim's level or some of the other guys on here but i hope to be. I have dealt with the occasional picky type of customer and in some ways i understand that you want things the way you invisioned them but it dont always work that way. I sincerly hope you find someone to work on and finish your car. As far as that other yahoo on here well i think he has been pretty much exposed for what he really is.

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

Tinker Im in no way mad at you. I just really take exception to someone trying to belittle my occupation. I love what i do and for someone to try and reduce it to nothing more than a regular job or trade and not a profession really upsets me. I try hard to be the best at what i do. I may not be on Jim's level or some of the other guys on here but i hope to be.I have dealt with the occasional picky type of customer and in some ways i understand that you want things the way you invisioned them but it dont always work that way. I sincerly hope you find someone to work on and finish your car. As far as that other yahoo on here well i think he has been pretty much exposed for what he really is.
*********^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^**********
Thank You AudioProz.
I know that in my notes I had for the Stang,some of the things weren't cool.I always had
left room for suggestions & improvements.
The budget is what I have to work with.I know it was not a tremendous amount[Wish I could have had more]...but I don't make that kind of $$ w/the State.
The same can be said for my wife who drives a mini school bus.I had some good opportunities when I was young...but screwed around.Should have been retired now.I pay that price now.
I take you are a young man Proz so you have the time.Experience/Time/Patience and Desire will
come to you.
I too wish *You the Best* w/your career.Thank You for your advice and insight.Much Appreciated.
Kind Regards/
Raymond

[Tambiengabriel]

Laugh it up. You may have done the same thing if your husband or wife unexpectedly died. If you want to see how far it goes just know there's more to it then just an intrnet news blurb. Now if any of you would like to say anything else about it in any kind of derrogatory tone I'm giving you caution right now. This was almost 5 years ago. I gave up my license and had it reinstated in the end of 2003 for which I went back for my masters and now pratice as a crna with lifetime drug screens. You wanna take shots at that go ahead lol. It doesn't change what is and you definitely don't know the whole story. And to all those who pass their judgement. During my first set of interviews at Stetson law it was brought to the table and picked apart. I still got in despite what I did. Do you really think you're theonly people to see this!? Everyone has their skeletons which hasnothingto do with brain power, ego trips or whatever. These little arguments and back andforths over the months are trite at best and it usually ends with no harm no foul. This actually crosses the line for me. I can't control it since it's public domain but if you insist on pursuing it again I'm giving you warning. Don't.

-jmf

I know you are going to law school but are you going to pass the moral character test in order to get your BAR card? You don't pass that and no card for you even if you pass the bar exam. In California, you sure as hell wouldn't. They went so far back into my history, they talked to my fifth-grade teacher. Even bad credit may disqualify you.

[Brad Eubank]

type "John Filapello" into any search engine and you get a article about drug charges,,,,now THATS high class!

[Tambiengabriel]

you plead guilty to a felony? Again, I don't know if you even have a chance of passing the moral character background test even if was a few years back and you had an addiction. What's to say you won't stray back to that behavior when you are confronted with a difficult case or situation?

[Turbo23]

type "John Filapello" into any search engine and you get a article about drug charges,,,,now THATS high class!
Brad, lets not forget the charges of falsifying official documents. Oh but wait he has excuses that push the blame on to other problems in his life, so we should just let him slide eh?
There is never a good excuse for taking drugs you are not prescribed, for stealing, or for falsifying official documentation.

With that you can add that listening to his rants & how he reacts in a public forum, he obviously can not handle himself as you would expect of someone with such a great educational background. Maybe he is still using?

So what we have so far:
1. Unethical
2. Immoral
3. Unprofessional

Well that isn't who I want handling any part of my health care, but it is unfortuately what I expect in a lawyer.

[HCCAfan]

you plead guilty to a felony? Again, I don't know if you even have a chance of passing the moral character background test even if was a few years back and you had an addiction. What's to say you won't stray back to that behavior when you are confronted with a difficult case or situation?
not one felony, 2 the first time and 1 the second time, plus gobs of misdemeanor charges...... i doubt his story about studying to be a lawyer....

[Brad Eubank]

if i was a drug addict and made 131k a year I would just get em the old fashioned way, from one of my "crack dealer customers" all of us lowly installers have to deal with everyday

lol

[Machinehead]

this thread delivers

[HCCAfan]

this thread delivers
it sure does, hahaha. better than some movies at the box office.....

[Dukk]

Now if I need some cog to route my wire through the door jamb, I'll give one of ya a call

And if I need someone to empty my bedpan, I'll push the button.

Wait just a second. I don't really have any use for an installer after all. That's right, now I remember, that little link at the bottom reminded me that I do my own work.

Yep just like I lanced that boil on my *** myself. Sorry I denied you.


In reality the installer calls no real shots. If there's a discrepancy the installer crawls up the shop owners *** to complain and then the shop owner makes some kind of decision.

In much the same way that a nurse calls no shots. A doctor tells them what tests to run, what medications to administer (to others eh) and when, who's cup of pee to take where, etc. And if a patient won't take their pills or roll up their sleeve then the nurse calls the doctor to come do something about it. The nurse holds no power.


Disclaimer - I'm not belitteling nurses. They have an important job. I'm just trying to put things in perspective for Captain Awesome here.

Oh - and a journeyman plumber goes to school for longer than a nurse... :think:

[Patmine]

This has to be one of the funniest things that I have ever read. I started with the last page and then immediatley had to start from the beginning. Looks like they got youre "goat" Jfilapello. How funny is that sh** a druggie convict stirrin up trouble in this forum. Looks like you brought a knife to a gun fight. Time to regroup and rethink!!!!

[Mobile Edge]

Ole' Jackie boy has a lot of nerve insulting the installer "cogs" and trying to make himself out to be more than they are. Considering he is a "cog" in the criminal justice system, apparently has a serious dependency problem, and is really little more than a ... well... loser, he should keep his 131K/year comments to himself.

As for expunged.... Bullsh&t... He was convicted once and plead guilty a second time (convicted). And it was stealing drugs from a hospital!!! No way that this was expunged.

I went to college for 3 months. Dropped out... did my "cog" thing for 4 years and started my own shop in 1994. 14 years later I have a very successful business that sprouted from me being an installer. I would never be so arrogant to post my income (who the f does that except some self doubting idiot), but this installer has done OK. Imagine that.. I am not even a male nurse drug addict that steals pills... How did that happen?

We all have our skeletons but why in the hell would someone with a closet full come on to a forum of installers and basically tell them they are nothing but scum? I may not be a 35 year old first year law student, but who is the stupid one here?

How was that for my first post?

Have a nice day!

[JL@MidwayCarCenter]

As for expunged.... Bullsh&t... He was convicted once and plead guilty a second time (convicted). And it was stealing drugs from a hospital!!! No way that this was expunged.
Have a nice day!

The first set of charges may have been expunged, but as soon as he admitted guilt the second time around (or was found guilty), that creates a "null and void" type of scenario on the expungement or sealing of case records on the first set of offenses. It's NY state law, happened to a friend of mine who lives in the Fishkill, NY area. His offenses were different (criminal driving offenses), but same rules apply. If Captain Dependency would like to continue with this post, I can make a few calls and have some records pulled. His choice.

[DWVW]

I would like to see JFilapello expunged from this forum!

[JFilapello]

The first set of charges may have been expunged, but as soon as he admitted guilt the second time around (or was found guilty), that creates a "null and void" type of scenario on the expungement or sealing of case records on the first set of offenses. It's NY state law, happened to a friend of mine who lives in the Fishkill, NY area. His offenses were different (criminal driving offenses), but same rules apply. If Captain Dependency would like to continue with this post, I can make a few calls and have some records pulled. His choice.

sorry no. I qualified for the expunging based on the type of felony. Nonviolent (bus records) and posession 7th e-class felony. I have no criminal record at this point.....Nothing to dowith admission of guilt

[TurboGSR]

Hmm, gone for two years and I somehow start the most interesting thread on Carsound in recorded history. I think I need to think about this forum whilst pooping more often.

[Mobile Edge]

sorry no. I qualified for the expunging based on the type of felony. Nonviolent (bus records) and posession 7th e-class felony. I have no criminal record at this point.....Nothing to dowith admission of guilt


"cough...cough.... bullsh&t...cough..cough"

time to revisit that 12 step program.... wasn't step 7 "don't be a pompous tool?"

Forget that... Step One: admit I am powerless over being a douch bag—that my life has become unmanageable - and dog gone it... people really don't like me. At all..

Sorry... but I read this thread and had to participate....

[EcotecRacer]

****, I thought things I am seeing at CES was amazing, but damn this thread is insane!
All while I wait for CarandModel to upload my CES pictures, I have had one hell of a laugh with this topic!

Funny to see so many comments deleted now...

[Turbo23]

****, I thought things I am seeing at CES was amazing, but damn this thread is insane!
All while I wait for CarandModel to upload my CES pictures, I have had one hell of a laugh with this topic!

Funny to see so many comments deleted now...

It was a good idea for J Filapello to remove his posts. If he were truly smart, which we know that is not possible, he would have kept his fingers away from the keyboard in the first place. Not to worry, most of his ridiculous rants were captured in quotes quite a few times.

A whole lot of education does not equal intelligence or common sense. That was displayed in his posts as well as his actions of stealing meds, lying to his employers, and through his general actions.

[HCCAfan]

damn, i missed out.....

[EcotecRacer]

Turbo no worries I was there to see all his stupid post that showed his very very large lack of common sense and overall intelligence.

I am sure he will be a great lawyer though, he's as crooked as they come ;)

[Brad Eubank]

what a punk,,he deleted his posts,,,,



maybe he was high when he posted

lol

[HCCAfan]

what a punk,,he deleted his posts,,,,



maybe he was high when he posted

lol
dude, i was high when i posted, so i doubt that.... :) I think he actually might be one of Sayar's long lost relatives.....

[HAL 9000]

Ooh ooh ooh... can I get a quick punch in too?

Ray, I've been doing this for a long time and I know exactly the type of customer you are bro. I've heard you complain about your damm car for years, and I can't believe that you have yet to have a goddamm system installed in it. One of these days you will realize that YOU are the problem and NOT the dozen shops you have taken your POS to. Good luck with it. Hurry... time is running out.



Major ownage on the crackhead we have amongst us. Makes it worth visiting Carsound again.

[JBONDOx]

dude, i was high when i posted, so i doubt that.... :) ..

that was funny Fiberglass or weed?

[Tambiengabriel]

In his defense, I will say that when a customer walks in for an install, his plans should be followed if he is willing to pay and it is reasonable....unless you walk into a shop where their reputation and skill is that of someone like JBondoX , Jeremy's, Luis' or others of you on this forum. At that point, as a customer you are going to these guys because you have complete faith in their reputation as both installers and architects of your system. As previously mentioned, these guys probably have more work than time and they can make easier money by not dealing with a dictator. By dealing with someone who wants constant input, they are losing time and time is money in your industry. You want more input in the design, I say you go to someone else who does not have that status.

[Machinehead]

that was funny Fiberglass or weed?

Both. He converted his kick panel into a bong.

[HCCAfan]

Both. He converted his kick panel into a bong.
lol


hey ray, i would have to agree with Tamb, for your best results, find an installer that can see your goal and agree with it. YOu will have better luck on getting it to where you want it. Make sure they are competent, but they dont need to be world class like steve brown....

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

In his defense, I will say that when a customer walks in for an install, his plans should be followed if he is willing to pay and it is reasonable....unless you walk into a shop where their reputation and skill is that of someone like JBondoX , Jeremy's, Luis' or others of you on this forum. At that point, as a customer you are going to these guys because you have complete faith in their reputation as both installers and architects of your system. As previously mentioned, these guys probably have more work than time and they can make easier money by not dealing with a dictator. By dealing with someone who wants constant input, they are losing time and time is money in your industry. You want more input in the design, I say you go to someone else who does not have that status.
***************^^^^^^^^^**************
Yes sir...I Repeat & Do Agree..."The Shop is alwayz right...the Customer is wrong for having any Ideaz".
Kind Regards/=O]
*Vasta/2*

[Willshifi]

Ray does not need advice.
Ray does not need anyone to speak in his defense.
Ray does not want his car built. Anytime anybody that could build it gets ready to work on it he moves it & starts bashing installers & shops.

IF Chris Yato said "I'll build Ray's Mustang for a dollar." It would not get done! Ray would make sure of it.

Jim, Doug & me all tried to help this guy with his dream and failed.
So anybody out there who wants to help the poor old guy, who has been so victimized by us cyber-bullies, get his system built his way, please give Ray a call & pick up the Stang and take it to your shop.

I Dare you!

Just keep us posted.

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

:sick:....

[off n public]

Its pretty bad that the most entertaining thing on this forum is rantings by a Bi-polar 60 year old with down syndrom.

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

Have a *Great Weekend* Guyz.:thumb:/:wave:.
Kind Regards/
*Vasta/2*

[dubber02]

Hmm, gone for two years and I somehow start the most interesting thread on Carsound in recorded history. I think I need to think about this forum whilst pooping more often.




No way........I think the Richard Clark/Speaker Works Buick 1000+ post thread will forever be the best....


Does that even still exist in the archives???

[Allenator]

lol... This forum has really gotten strange in the last few years.

Wow!

[johnl]

No way........I think the Richard Clark/Speaker Works Buick 1000+ post thread will forever be the best....


Does that even still exist in the archives???

No. There was a problem when they switched the forum software.

[MoeSPL]

Hmmm... I might be jumping into the game late but here I go...

Who are you to judge and validate what people do for a living???

I've been an Installer/Fabricator for almost half my life...I started in a shop...moved on to a manufacturer and currently I'm an Instructor at a 12v school.... An accredited Title IV Institution... Now If the State of NJ and the Federal Govt. deems Mobile Electronics Installation a valid Profession/career I guess thats good enough for me....

Oh I read some thing here earlier that struck a nerve... Just because you are paying someone for a service does not make you their boss... You went to them because A you couldn't do the job yourself.... B You know they could do the job better.... or C you could do the job but you are just a lazy piece of ****.... If anyone ever treated me as if they were above me...well maybe their car is just too good for me to work on...

[Beau M]

I just want to say Im glad that someone has met MustangGT in real life. All these years I thought he was a text-generating robot. Like SKYNET.

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

I just want to say Im glad that someone has met MustangGT in real life. All these years I thought he was a text-generating robot. Like SKYNET.

*Instant Replay* "The Shop is Always Right...The Customer is Always Wrong"/:wave:.
Ouote from some shops:
"If You can Dream It...We Can Build It"/Ha.Ha.
I'm glad that someone has met me too...Mr. Roboto.
I'm glad I'm a popular member here/:).I feel blessed.
The Internet:You can be "Anyone" you want to be....".
Just like you guys.
Let see...I have nothin' goin' on in my life/I'm miserable/not busy right now/lunch break/Smoke break/
Puff break/etc........
Let's go on CarSoundand rag on Ray...oh...*SKYNET*.
I'm happy for all of you....A.K.A.~"The Sewing Circle".
Rag on me...Who Cares...You're leaving someone else alone/lol/:D .And the "Beat Goes On,On,On".
Gentleman...Start your mouths...I Love It.
Sincere Regards/
*SKYNET*

[JBONDOx]

:silenced:

[CraigMBA]

what a punk,,he deleted his posts,,,,



maybe he was high when he posted

lol

I can still see them.

[Turbo23]

I can still see them.
Carlton are you referring to JFilapello?
I can not find any of his posts other than the posts that were qoted in other posts.

[EcotecRacer]

he is a mod he gets to see them even if rest of us can not

[JBONDOx]

Carlton are you referring to JFilapello?
I can not find any of his posts other than the posts that were qoted in other posts.

Hey give me a call on the cell or at home

[joseg]

Wow, gone for a while and come back and find this.. Hilarious.. Usual Suspects I see..

[Turbo23]

he is a mod he gets to see them even if rest of us can not

Oh yeah, I forgot he was bestowed that power. It has been a long time since I have visited this board.

[Allenator]

Finkle is Einhorn!!

Einhorn is Finkle!!

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

LOL.../:thumb:/:wave:.
As Alwayz...Kind Regardz/
*SKYNET*

[CraigMBA]

Hey give me a call on the cell or at home

Jim:

Who, me or Mitch?

Not that my opinion matters to you, but I want you to post the dirt - the notes, the pictures, all of it. This thread is way past moderation and I'd like to see all the dirty laundry done. Anyway, I get the birds eye view. Three hours of my life I'll never get back (I had to manually elect to view them one at a time) but WTH.

BTW, no post ever really gets "deleted" anymore. It gets archived and hidden from everybody except for mods. Kind of a cool feature, considering the potential liability if somebody threatens somebody on the internet and the local 5.0 starts calling the admin's for copies of the unaltered thread.

Consider yourself warned.

cliffs notes:

finicky customers, dispute resolution, dissing of professions, google searches, Carsound user found out to be a conviced felon for theft of controled narcotics.

[Dukk]

Wow, Carlton, did you just use the term Five-Oh?

**** man, you're old - unlike myself of course. :dance:

[CraigMBA]

I played in poker tournaments all weekend in Vegas with my new Ipod - I think I listened to NWA's Boyz in da Hood 3 times through. I'm all gangsta now, yo.....

[EcotecRacer]

Well Carlton dunno if it's the NWA, or the gambling or the new Ipod, but LMAO I like these new post of yours.

and congrats on having two operating vehicles WITH systems

[JBONDOx]

I meant Mitch, but if you wanna call me go ahead :)

I gave up, i did find it funny, but honestly once j left and started deleting his posts it was no more fun, I pm'd him awhile ago asking if there was a problem but haven't heard back from him yet :whistle:

Oh well.... hey like the new you also...

[Fran82]

I don't know why I'm bothering with this because it's apparent that you are all idiots in your own way, which makes me an idiot for even making a response. The sad thing about this forum is that, other than Hzemall's installs, there is nothing on this site except for you guys bickering. But I'm already in, so let me explain why each of you is an idiot, then you can come up with insults and lame excuses, etc., etc., etc. Everything on this debate comes down to one thing: MONEY.

Tinker/Mustang/Whoever: Unfortunately you seem to have started out your quest for audio perfection with some expectations that were supposedly ridiculous (according to the others). You aren't an idiot for pursuing those ridiculous goals, but you are an idiot for your choices in trying to acheive them. BONDO, Ecotec, etc. are apparently not the best fit for you because they THINK that as pros they have the right to make choices for you, and they THINK they are the best because they work for manufacturers and celebrities. Tinker, you just picked the wrong people over and over and over to do a job for you. To a lot a shops $14,000 is a good amount of money and can pay for a lot of work, but these guys keep talking about LBJ and Mallett, etc. so they think they are in a different stratosphere. You also do need to respect the work of others. Put down a plan of what you want, no matter how ridiculous, and your budget, no matter how ridiculous, get a shop to agree to it IN WRITING, and then let them do the work. You seem to be an idiot just because you continue to put up with their crap and come back for more. You might be a guy on a hamburger budget, which is fine, but if you keep going to Wolfgang Puck's restaurant and ordering a cheeseburger, he's going to get ****ed, and make you feel like an idiot. If you're not going to finish your project, why keep bringing it up with these guys, they're just going to keep hammering on you and blaming you, and as I already said, other than some installs by Hzemall, there really isn't anything on here anyway.

As for Ecotec, you threw in some crap about letting the pros do their jobs and not telling a doctor how to do surgery, blah, blah, blah. Guess what, if I'm going to a doctor to have a surgery performed then I should hope that he knows how to cut me up and put me back together, but if I tell him how I want the cut to look, or not to use certain procedures, or not to use certain medications, etc., then he better listen to me or ship me off somewhere else. You might be a great pro, and know everything there is to know about your job, but every customer has a right to tell you what they want done to THEIR car, whether you think it's right or not. If you don't think it's right, then don't try to take their money. You spout off about this guy having ridiculous plans and expectations and protecting him. That's not your job. If you accept a deal to work on someone's car, then they are your boss. Period. You make suggestions to try to keep them safe, but if they refuse, then too bad. You already agreed to do the work. Why are you telling us about doing things to protect people anyway, when in the next statement you say that you went against everyone's recommendations and built a 900 hp Pontiac that can't keep traction through the first 3 gears. Is that safe or smart????? What you built is ridiculous and useless, so what right to you have to tell someone else that they are an idiot for wanting to build something ridiculous and useless? The first guy to use horns in his car was ridiculous, same with the first to use an 18" sub. They aren't ridiculous anymore.

BONDO - I don't know you, but from your comments throughout this forum, you just seem to be an arrogant prick. Maybe you aren't in real life, but the way you criticize people on here, and have your Mercedes picture in your sig, and talk about working on celebrities' cars, it seems that you think you're important. I've looked at some of your pics, and I've seen better installs on DIY sites. Just because you worked on LBJ's car doesn't make you a great installer. I think there is some guy named Castro who has managed to suck money from celebrities to no end, and the work coming out of that shop is certainly nothing to get excited about. You say that you started off as a high school drop out, and managed to work your way up, but it seems that you've lost site of the humble beginnings. Oh great you did a charity install for DARE, but you bring it up as a tool to try to get people to think that you are a kind, charitable person. If Bill Gates sets up a charity and donates a million bucks, does that make him a great person, or is he just looking for a tax write off? You sound like you're looking for a tax write off. If TINKER/Mustard/Whoever came to you asking for a 6X9 mounted where his rearview mirror is, then you have a right to either accept or decline that job. If you accept the job, then it should have equal priority to LBJs Hummer. They are both paying customers and you have accepted both jobs. PERIOD. If you don't want to do what the customer wants then don't try to get their money. Let someone else have the money and the headaches.

Which brings me to the money aspect. All of these complaints about TINKER/Mustang/Whoever wouldn't even be here if the guy just had $$$. I think $14,000 is a very large amount of money to spend on a car, and for most shops that would be a good income. The problem seems to be that for TINKER, it is exactly that. A large amount of money. When anyone is spending what amounts to a large amount of money FOR THEM, then they want things done their way. Maybe you should have scaled back your project to make you more comfortable with what the outcome might be. As for the other 2, being professionals and having your shops name to be concerned with, etc. etc., etc. You are full of it. If LBJ comes into your shop with a blank check and tells you he just got a new toy and he wants you to trick it out, you're taking that job based only on the client and his MONEY. He could drop off a Chevette and want a twin turbo diesel dropped in it, or want a 17.1 surround system installed with 14 tweeters, 2 4" mids, and a sub. Either way you're taking that job in hopes that he comes back with more money. If it makes your shop look stupid, you are just going to say "That's what the customer wanted". Please tell us all that's wrong.

Anyway, enough with my rants. I think I've wasted enough of my own time and yours. So now we're all idiots. Don't take it personally.

[JBONDOx]

Well since you called yourself an idiot, i will agree with you.

I want to respond to you, but obviously you don't know the facts and a lot of the stuff has been deleted, so it would be worthless to even get into it with you.

[JBONDOx]

And by the way someone has to work on the high end clients vehicles, some on here do, they are just comfortable with me. i hope that isn't a problem for you.

[CraigMBA]

I don't know why I'm bothering with this because it's apparent that you are all idiots in your own way, which makes me an idiot for even making a response. The sad thing about this forum is that, other than Hzemall's installs, there is nothing on this site except for you guys bickering. But I'm already in, so let me explain why each of you is an idiot, then you can come up with insults and lame excuses, etc., etc., etc. Everything on this debate comes down to one thing: MONEY.

Tinker/Mustang/Whoever: Unfortunately you seem to have started out your quest for audio perfection with some expectations that were supposedly ridiculous (according to the others). You aren't an idiot for pursuing those ridiculous goals, but you are an idiot for your choices in trying to acheive them. BONDO, Ecotec, etc. are apparently not the best fit for you because they THINK that as pros they have the right to make choices for you, and they THINK they are the best because they work for manufacturers and celebrities. Tinker, you just picked the wrong people over and over and over to do a job for you. To a lot a shops $14,000 is a good amount of money and can pay for a lot of work, but these guys keep talking about LBJ and Mallett, etc. so they think they are in a different stratosphere. You also do need to respect the work of others. Put down a plan of what you want, no matter how ridiculous, and your budget, no matter how ridiculous, get a shop to agree to it IN WRITING, and then let them do the work. You seem to be an idiot just because you continue to put up with their crap and come back for more. You might be a guy on a hamburger budget, which is fine, but if you keep going to Wolfgang Puck's restaurant and ordering a cheeseburger, he's going to get ****ed, and make you feel like an idiot. If you're not going to finish your project, why keep bringing it up with these guys, they're just going to keep hammering on you and blaming you, and as I already said, other than some installs by Hzemall, there really isn't anything on here anyway.

As for Ecotec, you threw in some crap about letting the pros do their jobs and not telling a doctor how to do surgery, blah, blah, blah. Guess what, if I'm going to a doctor to have a surgery performed then I should hope that he knows how to cut me up and put me back together, but if I tell him how I want the cut to look, or not to use certain procedures, or not to use certain medications, etc., then he better listen to me or ship me off somewhere else. You might be a great pro, and know everything there is to know about your job, but every customer has a right to tell you what they want done to THEIR car, whether you think it's right or not. If you don't think it's right, then don't try to take their money. You spout off about this guy having ridiculous plans and expectations and protecting him. That's not your job. If you accept a deal to work on someone's car, then they are your boss. Period. You make suggestions to try to keep them safe, but if they refuse, then too bad. You already agreed to do the work. Why are you telling us about doing things to protect people anyway, when in the next statement you say that you went against everyone's recommendations and built a 900 hp Pontiac that can't keep traction through the first 3 gears. Is that safe or smart????? What you built is ridiculous and useless, so what right to you have to tell someone else that they are an idiot for wanting to build something ridiculous and useless? The first guy to use horns in his car was ridiculous, same with the first to use an 18" sub. They aren't ridiculous anymore.

BONDO - I don't know you, but from your comments throughout this forum, you just seem to be an arrogant prick. Maybe you aren't in real life, but the way you criticize people on here, and have your Mercedes picture in your sig, and talk about working on celebrities' cars, it seems that you think you're important. I've looked at some of your pics, and I've seen better installs on DIY sites. Just because you worked on LBJ's car doesn't make you a great installer. I think there is some guy named Castro who has managed to suck money from celebrities to no end, and the work coming out of that shop is certainly nothing to get excited about. You say that you started off as a high school drop out, and managed to work your way up, but it seems that you've lost site of the humble beginnings. Oh great you did a charity install for DARE, but you bring it up as a tool to try to get people to think that you are a kind, charitable person. If Bill Gates sets up a charity and donates a million bucks, does that make him a great person, or is he just looking for a tax write off? You sound like you're looking for a tax write off. If TINKER/Mustard/Whoever came to you asking for a 6X9 mounted where his rearview mirror is, then you have a right to either accept or decline that job. If you accept the job, then it should have equal priority to LBJs Hummer. They are both paying customers and you have accepted both jobs. PERIOD. If you don't want to do what the customer wants then don't try to get their money. Let someone else have the money and the headaches.

Which brings me to the money aspect. All of these complaints about TINKER/Mustang/Whoever wouldn't even be here if the guy just had $$$. I think $14,000 is a very large amount of money to spend on a car, and for most shops that would be a good income. The problem seems to be that for TINKER, it is exactly that. A large amount of money. When anyone is spending what amounts to a large amount of money FOR THEM, then they want things done their way. Maybe you should have scaled back your project to make you more comfortable with what the outcome might be. As for the other 2, being professionals and having your shops name to be concerned with, etc. etc., etc. You are full of it. If LBJ comes into your shop with a blank check and tells you he just got a new toy and he wants you to trick it out, you're taking that job based only on the client and his MONEY. He could drop off a Chevette and want a twin turbo diesel dropped in it, or want a 17.1 surround system installed with 14 tweeters, 2 4" mids, and a sub. Either way you're taking that job in hopes that he comes back with more money. If it makes your shop look stupid, you are just going to say "That's what the customer wanted". Please tell us all that's wrong.

Anyway, enough with my rants. I think I've wasted enough of my own time and yours. So now we're all idiots. Don't take it personally.

tl, dr.

[CraigMBA]

Well Carlton dunno if it's the NWA, or the gambling or the new Ipod, but LMAO I like these new post of yours.

and congrats on having two operating vehicles WITH systems

People take this stuff too personally. Then they make it personal. Then it gets dumb.

I finally did something I thought I'd never do - I paid for an installation. Twice. I don't have time and I can't get my garage cleaned out with a gun pointed to my head. Between the Mustang in a million pieces (that collossus is coming to an end, I think I'm in the death throwes of getting it painted) and the seven pallets from my new vendor, I haven't seen the floor in there in 2 years. Speakerworks did it, and I'm about a week away from having it all buttoned up (bunch of JDM stuff, Rays wheels, ect), I'll post pictures.

It's high end I tell you (but plain vanilla in appearance). My wife's been a real sport letting me screw around with her car. She's only wanted to divorce me once (I lowered it with the wrong/too stiff springs) through the whole process. I've never had enough money to own a new car with all the mods I wanted to put on it, and after next Thursday or so, I'll have to find something else to work on. This one will be done.

[Fran82]

Well since you called yourself an idiot, i will agree with you.

I want to respond to you, but obviously you don't know the facts and a lot of the stuff has been deleted, so it would be worthless to even get into it with you.

That's the type of response that I expected from you. Useless.

You've also proven yourself to be a fool. I wonder how many jobs you've lost by your arrogance, and derogatory speech on this forum. But you don't care, because a couple celebrities have you work on their cars, right? Don't worry, they'll eventually learn better too.

[Fran82]

tl, dr.

I'm not in to the texting lingo, so I think you're saying too long, doctor. If so, then you shouldn't have read it, and quoted the whole thing. Thanks for your input. No doubt you appreciate mine equally.

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

Good Mornin' Carlton/
I'm still lookin' to get the Stang done...in all honesty,yes.But was sent a PM,giving Advice to me never to ask anyone here to do any install on it.
Have someone local do it.If there was someone local
to do it...there "never" would have been any reason to look elsewhere to have it done.
The budget wasn't $14,000.00.That amount is the $$
my wife Pat & I gave towards Deposits/travel/gas/motels/Food/etc.When losing that amount over the years...Pat & I were hurt/disappointed.If I had absolutely "no clue" on how I wanted my system...than maybe I would have had the System done and accepted whatever it looked like.I'm not saying there's no room for change/discussion/etc....but it was like mine didn't matter.The Budget was around $8~$9,000.00.I have the gear/some alloy/Notes/etc.I wish I had more of a budget...but I don't and cannot compete w/the *High $$ Rollers*...it's that simple.Even as I type this...I ask myself "Why did we have to lose that kind of Money/why couldn't people just be up front/why can't I just be happy w/this hobby that started over a decade ago?"
As said earlier...I apologize for trashing Installers,but again,it wasn't pointed at those who didn't comment.
"People here don't know me personally or for that fact nothing but only from what's typed".A person has limits,and when argumentive post are written about that person...it gets old & :boring:.I'm not perfect...but never said I was.I never bragged about my car nor ever trashed someone elses ride.I wouldn't...It's NOT me.I'm really sorry to see that this has to go this route and sorry that all you guys don't really know Ray Vasta...honestly.
I "will not reply" to the sarcastic/hurtful/degrading/comments made here.Nor will I ever say the above to anyone here.
You know,it's also Sad to see so many replies to this thread...when it should be informative/helpful replies to *Car Audio*.
Regards/
Raymond
PS:If the *Money Tree* in the backyard didn't die..there's one Installer that I'd like to work on & get my Stang.I've thought about for awhile.It would be *Tim Ballie*.Providing...he would be willing.I don't have those funds to have it sent & returned to me.

[Willshifi]

FRAN82 --I think you should prove us all wrong. Go get yourself a Stang & get to work!!

Jim is right you don't get any of the real story on this car & owner.

[JBONDOx]

That's the type of response that I expected from you. Useless.

You've also proven yourself to be a fool. I wonder how many jobs you've lost by your arrogance, and derogatory speech on this forum. But you don't care, because a couple celebrities have you work on their cars, right? Don't worry, they'll eventually learn better too.

ah yes, the know it all... seems we should contact you to figure out how to run a business and do work. Is that what you are saying? You bring up celebrities in both posts, are you jealous of their status? are you a hater? They just like everyone else in this world bust their arse to get where they are, something you probably don't have a clue about

Do you know me? obviously you don't... So take your stupid arse comments based on an assumption that you don't know anything about and move on to another topic.

[EcotecRacer]

Fran82
want to know the difference in me building something insane like I did?
1) I got GM's personal attention with the build, my build up of my Ecotec is now featured in their Ecotec handbook they sell.
2) Everyone told me it was to crazy and insane to do, so i did it myself I didnt pay someone to do it my insanity work i did it myself
3)if I go to someone it's cause I trust them at it better than myself, so I want them to have enough balls to tell me if my idea/thoughts is stupid/wont work etc...
I'm sorry but I have done this just to test people before and ask them to do something I know is down right stupid/impossible to do.....if they tell me no problem etc... I'm not dealing with them.....i want someone that can speaker their mind......my doctors do the same thing with me...... I guess it's the difference in being someone like you and being a man and understanding being called out on things is good for oneself

So do not try calling me out like you are god almighty, cause brother you will get knocked the **** back down ;)





Carlton, sounds great man! I figured out a great way to get my wife off my back about my projects.......i started in home projects just for her lol......I've got new cabinets in the kitchen with granite tops, new porcelian floor, and working on the master bath putting her in a bigger bath tub...........makes it MUCH easier to explain the mess in the garage/work shop areas :D I too have decided the car audio part I will suck it up and drop my car off with an installer to get that part done.....engine work is easy for me........car audio I change my mind too often to get it done myself....I pay someone to do X work, go pick it up and I am done :D

[Fran82]

2) Everyone told me it was to crazy and insane to do, so i did it myself I didnt pay someone to do it my insanity work i did it myself
3)if I go to someone it's cause I trust them at it better than myself, so I want them to have enough balls to tell me if my idea/thoughts is stupid/wont work etc...
I'm sorry but I have done this just to test people before and ask them to do something I know is down right stupid/impossible to do.....if they tell me no problem etc... I'm not dealing with them.....i want someone that can speaker their mind......my doctors do the same thing with me...... I guess it's the difference in being someone like you and being a man and understanding being called out on things is good for oneself

So do not try calling me out like you are god almighty, cause brother you will get knocked the **** back down ;)


Another putz that can threaten people from behind a monitor, just what the internet was made for...
Anyway, back to what I actually said, was not anything about your abilities to make an "insane" car or what others would call a "stupid" car, my point was that you were telling this guy that his ideas were crazy or stupid and that as a "reputable" shop and business owner it would be your responsiblility to not only protect him, but also protect your business name, right? That's what I got from some of your comments. Then you go on to tell us about this ridiculous car that you built, but now it's ok because GM was backing you, and you did it with your own $$$, etc. etc. My point was and is simply that if someone comes to you with $$$ and asks you to do a job, AND YOU ACCEPT IT, then your responsibility is to do the job the customer asks for, no matter how stupid or insane it seems to you. It all comes down to the $$$. Though you use the reasoning that your "insane" car is ok because it you paid for it, would you have declined the job if Joe Schmoe came in and wrote you a blank check to get the same thing done. Doubt it.
This guy TINKER might be a complete pain to deal with, and have ridiculous ideas, but if he wrote you a check for $100,000 then you wouldn't be complaining about his ridiculous ideas. Say that's not true.

[Fran82]

ah yes, the know it all... seems we should contact you to figure out how to run a business and do work. Is that what you are saying? You bring up celebrities in both posts, are you jealous of their status? are you a hater? They just like everyone else in this world bust their arse to get where they are, something you probably don't have a clue about

Do you know me? obviously you don't... So take your stupid arse comments based on an assumption that you don't know anything about and move on to another topic.

Apparently you know all though, so everyone should take your criticisms as gospel right? I've looked at some of your other work and your critiques of other's work, but no I don't know you, just like you don't know me. I could be the guy who was thinking of bringing my MB over to get a system installed, but your arrogance might prevent me from doing that. I know you'll say that you wouldn't work on my car anyway, but such an intelligent businessman as yourself should know that there are many others out there that read these forums also, and make decisions on who to hire based on what they read and see.
Funny that you criticize me for mentioning celebrities, and yet that is how you start off most of your install threads. You also used the fact that the DARE truck was a "freebie" as some sort of disclaimer, like you only care about the work if it's paid for. Am I a hater? Absolutely, towards some, just like you, no doubt. Do I care that you work on celebrities' cars? Not in the least, I have too. But your internet persona is one of sounding like you know more than everyone else simply because you're a "professional", and you've worked on YADAYADAYADA'S Rover.
Whatever. And I'll make comments whenever and wherever I want. Thanks Jack.

[EcotecRacer]

I would defintely turn it down if anyone else came to me asking for that type of project! I would not want their death on my hands plain and simple
It's the same reason the shop I learned so much from would turn down people(at first I saw it like you as money, why care) then I realized alot of these people had the moneyt o make their car go fast but would probably die before leaving the parking lot, or getting on 85 from Sugarhill..........


Next off I am in Georgia not to far away. I dont have to make a threat from behind a monitor.......but mine wasnt a threat FYI it was a reference
to put it into lame terms "the man that thinks he is better than me, is far worse in life" or even easier for you? "it's not another man's place to judge another man"


The shops that turned down Tinker all had the same exact reasoning.......now we are all different people. why in the world would they all pretty much have the same reason for not working with the man? Cause he himself is trying to present something unattainable to the installers.....maybe..........cause he's an asshole? doubtful Jim is one of the biggest assholes I know(no offense to him, cause I'm a big ******* myself) so i doubt a customer could be a bigger *** to him


And no to some of us the money is not worth the headaches and phone calls......its much easier dealing with the other type of customer
"here is the car, here is how much allowed, here is what I'd like to be done, call me when it's ready please" and they they check in once a week, stop by once a week etc...
not come by everyday and try to spend the whole day taking up your time on THEIR car, when you work on several a day

[Fran82]

FRAN82 --I think you should prove us all wrong. Go get yourself a Stang & get to work!!

Jim is right you don't get any of the real story on this car & owner.

What's your point? You want me to put a system in a Stang? Been there, done that, but if you have another one, bring it on down.
As for the story, everyone's got their own version. I'm sure yours is different than Jim's. This isn't the gossip channel though, it's supposed to be car audio installs. :boring:

[Fran82]

I would defintely turn it down if anyone else came to me asking for that type of project!

Next off I am in Georgia not to far away. I dont have to make a threat from behind a monitor.......but mine wasnt a threat FYI it was a reference
to put it into lame terms "the man that thinks he is better than me, is far worse in life" or even easier for you? "it's not another man's place to judge another man"

And no to some of us the money is not worth the headaches and phone calls......its much easier dealing with the other type of customer
"here is the car, here is how much allowed, here is what I'd like to be done, call me when it's ready please" and they they check in once a week, stop by once a week etc...
not come by everyday and try to spend the whole day taking up your time on THEIR car, when you work on several a day

1)I'll have to take your word for it that you'd turn down a job like that. Hard to believe because you seem very proud that GM is advertising the project for you. But you don't want it to lead to another sale????HMMM

2)As for your location, I could care less. If I disagree with you I'm going to tell you that whether you live in GA or next door. As for the judging people thing, that's another subject altogether. Life is about making judgement calls. You probably choose not to spend time with certain people or have your kids hang out with certain kids, right? Judgements.

3)Maybe I have misread something along the lines or read into something, but I'm pretty sure James said at some point that Tinker's job was something for when there was spare time, a crap job, or something along those lines. I totally agree with your reasoning to avoid what I would consider crap jobs, and people that are going to be a pain, but the reality is that there aren't always those jobs/customers available.
Did his car get taken into a shop or not? If it did, then do what he asks. You wanted the money, and accepted the job. You dug your own grave. If the car wasn't taken into a shop, and Tinker is just hanging out at everybody's place bugging them, and wasting their time, then that's altogether different. Tell him to leave. I was under the impression from what I've read that these shops agreed to work on his car, and then backed out because he's a pain and has unreal plans. Maybe I do need clarification. Either way, from my experience in the car audio field, most shops don't do something basic that will protect them, put it in writing.

[JFilapello]

[quote=JBONDOx;650739]ah yes, the know it all... seems we should contact you to figure out how to run a business and do work. Is that what you are saying? You bring up celebrities in both posts, are you jealous of their status? are you a hater? They just like everyone else in this world bust their arse to get where they are, something you probably don't have a clue about


If these guys were just like everyone else, then in your install build-ups photos you wouldn't be introducing "XYZ NFL star's 2008 Bentley"on as a major header in the intro of the build pics. I mean your blue s4 and for the most part all your non-pro bling rides just show the car and build lol. Subconsciously you probably justify your arrogance by the mere trivial fact that you work on pro/high society people. Your work is clean but as a "pro" which you aren't (as far as symantecs are concerned) your installs are on par with everyone elses skill at this level. Take away the stupid giant chrome wheels, 8000 tv's you manage stuff in, "custom" paint jobs, and the bigdeal radar detectors, etc... you're just average, nothing special.

[JFilapello]

Shouldn't you be out stealing prescription meds or something?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/vr6ness/PrescriptionMeds.jpg

lol who cares....:think:

[JBONDOx]

too be completely honest JFilapelo, i could care less about your mistakes, what your habits are, we all screw up somewhere, some get caught and some don't, you did. i think what screwed you up here is that you were preaching and we all hate being preached to. there are over 1000 ways to approach any subject... yours came off wrong.

Some simple facts of life with me, i will install what i want how i want, and on top of it, the decision was finalized after the Mustang (Rays) or you can say the mustang made make that decision

fran82, you want to make the comment that you will not use my services on your Mb because you don't like my personality. Here it is in a nut shell for you. I am not like every other shop out there, i research every little thing, pick the gear that will work 24/7, ease of use to the owner, and exceed their expectations. Or make them never come back because of problems. my personality is my reputation, and my work ethnics, I don't go around screwing up vehicles or doing petty mistakes, it is done right the first time with the proper tools, equipment, and supplies.

Now let's turn the tables, I was thinking of buying a home in your area... but since you talk out of turn, you are the only outsider here in the post since everyone here has been on the forum for years... some had to re-register, so obviously you don't know who you are talking with, especially when you start talking shiet to Will... you don't even know who he is or what he does, nor what he accomplished. Just not smart

Then there is this thing that you all judge me like I am this great installer. come on! I am a simple basic installer... quit trying to fluff it up

[JFilapello]

mistakes, what your habits are, we all screw up somewhere, some get caught and some don't, you did. i think what screwed you up here is that you were preaching and we all hate being preached to. there are over 1000 ways to approach any subject... yours came off wrong.

agreed...

[HCCAfan]

You also used the fact that the DARE truck was a "freebie" as some sort of disclaimer, like you only care about the work if it's paid for.

I think you missed the point about economics......
When its being paid for, it has the shop's name on it, and takes up the most time. When its a freebee, its a backburner project. Paid jobs keeps the doors open and the boss happy. Freebee's do neither of that. With the business that Jim does, a freebee for DARE will not generate him more business. His advertisements are mostly done thru word of mouth from one celeb to the next, so you kiss the hand that feeds you so it keeps on feeding you (word of mouth endorsements). Jim works with clientelle that buy from a trusted source, they dont pass a mom and pop shop on the street and think they will get a system installed. Its like comparing apples to oranges, they are both fruit but not the same thing....

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

Ok....Now that the whole car audio scene knows and is a Qualified Analyst of what an Azzhole/Idiot/Stupid/No Clue of life/Wanting a $50k job for $8~9K/:rolleyes:.
Asking to do the the Impossible/:whistle: .WillsHiFi/JBX/DobSon/Ecotec Racer/OffnPublic/Turbo23 and all the Rest.
Glad everyone here knows what I wanted,step by step.
You're All Installers~Brothers/Set In Your Ways/Etc.
Believe what you may...in the Installer's World,be my guest.
I will say this though before I leave & never return.**No Applause Yet**.One day down the road of life,everyone here and in the world will want *something good* to happen or want in their lives real bad.
When that time comes down that road,and you're wanting to grab that thing[Whatever it may be] and you just can't seem to get that thing.But you're trying still to get it.You may never have it.Hmmm.../:think:.
Just remember that.It will not be a good feeling...
Then and only then you might see things differently when you're alone.
So all you brothers can be happy now.
As said earlier in this topic...None of you will really know
Ray Vasta,wether you did or not.In time,like most things in life,the "CarSound Forums" will be back to normal and like it was before I came....
Now...you can *Have that Party*...

[HCCAfan]

If these guys were just like everyone else, then in your install build-ups photos you wouldn't be introducing "XYZ NFL star's 2008 Bentley"on as a major header in the intro of the build pics. I mean your blue s4 and for the most part all your non-pro bling rides just show the car and build lol. Subconsciously you probably justify your arrogance by the mere trivial fact that you work on pro/high society people. Your work is clean but as a "pro" which you aren't (as far as symantecs are concerned) your installs are on par with everyone elses skill at this level. Take away the stupid giant chrome wheels, 8000 tv's you manage stuff in, "custom" paint jobs, and the bigdeal radar detectors, etc... you're just average, nothing special.

musta got more pillz, eh? since u havent grasped it yet, not everyone with money wants flash/bling. Just because it doesnt have a glass appearance, neon blinking, etc, he's gotta be an average installer? Think about this...... Sometimes people pay for what they dont see..... As in no cut corners, no scratches, no halfed-azz wrap job, etc. Or even better yet, their installer again, since they have no time to see them in the first place (ie cut corners or stuff not working)..... These customers still want to use the functionality of the car, like carrying passengers/luggage, etc. So they want stuff crammed in, looks exceptional, looks like its not overloaded with equipment, and performs as expected. They are willing to pay for it to a name they trust, which would be jim. How many people call you at the nurses' station asking for you to do work for them personally? thats what i thought.... When you work in a business where your clientelle passes your name around, its important to perform, and Jim does that.

And since you seem not to know anything about jim's past, commenting about what he hasnt shown recently is ignorance on your part. Maybe you should learn up before making your next ignorant comment...

[HCCAfan]

Shouldn't you be out stealing prescription meds or something?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/vr6ness/PrescriptionMeds.jpg


funny shyt right there...

[JFilapello]

musta got more pillz, eh? since u havent grasped it yet, not everyone with money wants flash/bling. Just because it doesnt have a glass appearance, neon blinking, etc, he's gotta be an average installer? Think about this...... Sometimes people pay for what they dont see..... As in no cut corners, no scratches, no halfed-azz wrap job, etc. Or even better yet, their installer again, since they have no time to see them in the first place (ie cut corners or stuff not working)..... These customers still want to use the functionality of the car, like carrying passengers/luggage, etc. So they want stuff crammed in, looks exceptional, looks like its not overloaded with equipment, and performs as expected. They are willing to pay for it to a name they trust, which would be jim. How many people call you at the nurses' station asking for you to do work for them personally? thats what i thought.... When you work in a business where your clientelle passes your name around, its important to perform, and Jim does that.

And since you seem not to know anything about jim's past, commenting about what he hasnt shown recently is ignorance on your part. Maybe you should learn up before making your next ignorant comment...

dude, let it go with the pills thing. That wasn't my style anyways. With regards to personal nursing work it's called private duty/contract. When physicians have an injury/surgery or anything that lays them up after they leave the hospital many times depending on what type of unit you work on an in-house physician may hire a unit nurse as there's a cohesiveness b/t nursing an docs that they trust. So yea I think so. And what I think of that pic is I look stoned but I'm pretty sure I wasn't. Really dude, let it go.....ah and I don't know Jim personally but I kinda get the feeling you'd like to get a room with him........

[Fran82]

fran82, Now let's turn the tables, I was thinking of buying a home in your area... but since you talk out of turn, you are the only outsider here in the post since everyone here has been on the forum for years...


I think this is an open resource, so there are no outsiders. Anyone can access this information, and I haven't seen anywhere that you are lord of the forum. I spent quite a few years away from car audio, but when I search for information, I think I have the right to look anywhere I want and make comments accordingly. You guys think this is your little closed society and people that don't agree with you should be ridiculed or banished. This isn't high school.
I don't think I attacked Wil. He gave a comment, I gave a reply. Period. You're talking the same crap to me and you have no idea who I am or what I may have done in car audio either.
Quick fill in. I got into car audio in the early 90s, when A/D/S, PPI, Soundstream, Orion, and Rockford were still big, and original. Worked for this little guy in Boston named Rich Inferrera, and spent some time working on cars of Aerosmith members, a truck that belonged to Joyce Chen's (the cook) son, a few Porsches, Ferraris, and the like. I also spent some time working with a kid named Jamie Perkins, where we built a couple IASCA Finals winning cars of his, and worked on an S10 Blazer that was part of the whole early SPL comps, the Shaker.
I'm not an outsider. I know what is right with an install and what is wrong. My point from the very beginning, based on the idea that you brought Tinkers' car into your shop to do work on it, was that if you agree to do a job for a customer, then they have every right to tell you what they want. If you don't want to do the job they request, and deal with their attitude then don't take the job. If you never had his car in your shop, then I misread something. I apologize if that's the case.

Adios

[HCCAfan]

dude, let it go with the pills thing. That wasn't my style anyways.

cant tell, 2 convictions, multiple thefts, makes me wonder how many times you got away with it, and if your still doing it... no wonder our health care is so spendy, got crackheads stealing pills making my prices jump because of it.....


Really dude, let it go.....ah and I don't know Jim personally but I kinda get the feeling you'd like to get a room with him........
jim is someone i know, respect, and understand. dont know how you made the assumption that its anything else, other than to distract the readers from the issue at hand...

[JFilapello]

cant tell, 2 convictions, multiple thefts, makes me wonder how many times you got away with it, and if your still doing it... no wonder our health care is so spendy, got crackheads stealing pills making my prices jump because of it.....

lol. First you need not wonder, find something more useful to think about. Second, as I haven't really your posts in the past. That being said, that's about the most unintelligent, misinformed, and flat out stupid comment I've heard from you.



jim is someone i know, respect, and understand. dont know how you made the assumption that its anything else, other than to distract the readers from the issue at hand...

Look pal, how am I suppose to know what your relationship to Jbondox is? lol, there's no distraction and to be quite honest this thread is on its way out. I mean really what other point do you need to make. I agreed to a fairly certain degree from jbx's last post. I think the exact words were "agreed". I encourage you to beat my criminal past into the ground, because eventually you'll move on lol. I mean if you think I'm going to curl up in a ball and go away you're misguided. I've been here for I dunno 5-6 years and it's likely I'll be here as long as the site exists. Again, let it go, or at least have some new content. The jabs about with social worth and moral dysfunction really don't any affect on me. Everyones got their problems.....

[JFilapello]

Uh hi hccafan.
Maybe this will help you to let it go: This is you. Your birthdate on your profile match the database at 100 percent so dont bother trying to refute it.......Hows that for ya?

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[JL@MidwayCarCenter]

I think this is an open resource, so there are no outsiders. Anyone can access this information, and I haven't seen anywhere that you are lord of the forum. I spent quite a few years away from car audio, but when I search for information, I think I have the right to look anywhere I want and make comments accordingly. You guys think this is your little closed society and people that don't agree with you should be ridiculed or banished.

No, we don't think this is our closed society. We have another place for that, which you will never see.

Worked for this little guy in Boston named Rich Inferrera, and spent some time working on cars of Aerosmith members, a truck that belonged to Joyce Chen's (the cook) son, a few Porsches, Ferraris, and the like. I also spent some time working with a kid named Jamie Perkins, where we built a couple IASCA Finals winning cars of his, and worked on an S10 Blazer that was part of the whole early SPL comps, the Shaker.

I did a bit of searching around, and couldn't find ANY trace of a Francis, Fran, Frank, or any other variety of your first name with the last name Arsenault having any kind of association with Richie's or with Custom Auto Radio, or anything car audio related for that matter. I'll make a phone call to my buddy who works for Richie to see if he knows anything about you "working" for Richie, and that will be followed up with calls to Shaker, Bob, Rooney, Jesse, John, and all the other big SPL guys from that era in the Northeast to see if anyone has ever heard of you. I'm not going to be surprised in one bit if the response I get from all of them is, "who???"

[JBONDOx]

Frances you have issues... you need to start BS then try to fluff us?

you did this, did that, celebrity this, and celebrity that... LMAO you don't fool anyone.

I am calling Uncle... I will be away for a few, I have important things to do... you know, celebrity installs... Actually I am preparing for a car show that will run 10 days at the end of feb and and first week of march... anyone need tickets let me know

[HCCAfan]

there should be alot more than that listed.......
I am not afraid of my past, what happened in my past i accept fully, it made me a better person by learning from it. The difference between my past and yours is that you act like you are high and mighty, everyone must bow to you, and your better than anyone here. My past made me look thru other peoples eyes, be less selfish in my ways and my thinking, and that there are better ways to deal with my anger. Take for example, the arson charge, should be a theft by unlawful taking charge with it, as well as a couple misdemeanors, but i those are in Nebraska (you searched iowa alone instead of surrounding states), where you will find a very very lengthy record. All because I had beef with someone for constantly running their mouth, and could never catch them, so i took it out on his prized possession. Took his vehicle and burned it to the ground. Was one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made, because not only did i have to serve time, but i had to pay the guy back for losses. Sometimes I think to myself it was the best way out of that beef for me because i dont know how bad i would have hurt the person. You can always get possessions back, but its harder for them to recouperate.


So your point is non-valid, since my past doesnt scare me if its brought out into the open, unlike yours..... remember, im supposed to stop now like you requested before you erased your posts, and i could be in legal trouble.... ha. keep trollin...


Uh hi hccafan.
Maybe this will help you to let it go: This is you. Your birthdate on your profile match the database at 100 percent so dont bother trying to refute it.......Hows that for ya?

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[JFilapello]

lol whatever. I think I was pretty open an not afraid of the past and I could care less what kind of explanation you have for whatever. Point is, everyone has some kind of past. Some legal, some not. As far as I'm concerned this thread is spent.

[Fran82]

I did a bit of searching around, and couldn't find ANY trace of a Francis, Fran, Frank, or any other variety of your first name with the last name Arsenault having any kind of association with Richie's or with Custom Auto Radio, or anything car audio related for that matter. I'll make a phone call to my buddy who works for Richie to see if he knows anything about you "working" for Richie, and that will be followed up with calls to Shaker, Bob, Rooney, Jesse, John, and all the other big SPL guys from that era in the Northeast to see if anyone has ever heard of you. I'm not going to be surprised in one bit if the response I get from all of them is, "who???"


I guess if it matters that much to you then you should try searching their payroll records. Since you have that big MECP logo as an avatar, maybe you can check the MECP records too. And now back to the installs. Oh wait, I'll have to go to another site to see those.:boring:

[EcotecRacer]

1)I'll have to take your word for it that you'd turn down a job like that. Hard to believe because you seem very proud that GM is advertising the project for you. But you don't want it to lead to another sale????HMMM

2)As for your location, I could care less. If I disagree with you I'm going to tell you that whether you live in GA or next door. As for the judging people thing, that's another subject altogether. Life is about making judgement calls. You probably choose not to spend time with certain people or have your kids hang out with certain kids, right? Judgements.

3)Maybe I have misread something along the lines or read into something, but I'm pretty sure James said at some point that Tinker's job was something for when there was spare time, a crap job, or something along those lines. I totally agree with your reasoning to avoid what I would consider crap jobs, and people that are going to be a pain, but the reality is that there aren't always those jobs/customers available.
Did his car get taken into a shop or not? If it did, then do what he asks. You wanted the money, and accepted the job. You dug your own grave. If the car wasn't taken into a shop, and Tinker is just hanging out at everybody's place bugging them, and wasting their time, then that's altogether different. Tell him to leave. I was under the impression from what I've read that these shops agreed to work on his car, and then backed out because he's a pain and has unreal plans. Maybe I do need clarification. Either way, from my experience in the car audio field, most shops don't do something basic that will protect them, put it in writing.


1) Wrong no I would not, and GM didnt pay me to do the build, I worked my *** off getting my documentation to them, proof of Dyno testing, proof of everything down to the bolts used and sources for each part. In the end I got GM's attention............they now have a 1400HP version of the same engine I have, that anyone could buy the parts for and have it done.....Would I build someone an engine like that? Not someone I know nothing about, I dont want their death's on my hands, would the shop build it for anyone? Doubtful they stay busy they can turn away people as they like.......it's not about money to some of us(i got a great regular job that lets me play like I do, and enjoy my hobbies) To some of us it's about doing something extreme for ourselves just to say "I did that" and move on to the next item.
Example our shop has the severa; record holding engine/cars under it's belt.......Know where the fame goes? To the driver cause he/she is the bastard willing to strap in and race....that is where the fame should go in our book..... In other words some people like being out of the spot light


2) I would guide my kids and teach them right from wrong, but I will not lead their hand(s) throughout life. One has to make mistakes in their OWN mind to realize what is truly right. It is not my place to judge one man from another, now serial killers, terrorist etc.. I do not consider people anymore and will judge them by their own actions(just so you cant try to throw up that point of view)

3)I agree with what you said and yes you do need more understanding on the shops part. When each one of the installers has the same story about the Mustand and it's owner......it's clear to see why things happen like they did. I do not know Jim, or even Wil personally but I've asked both and both give same version of a story in their own words. Which leads me to believe Ray was just the type of customer noone wants cause of the headaches, and you mentioned some of those headaches in your post.


FYI when I was young and on this forum, I wasted alot of Installers time etc... When I went to college, got working for Balanced Performance I realized how down annoying I really was asking questions like I did to installers.....I had alot of apologizing to friends(installers) once I realized that

Self Evaluation is a great skill, that more people need to learn......it truly is one of the very few things I learned while in college

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

ER/
Did or Do you really know what the whole install entailed? I don't think so.WTheF is anyone here to say what I wanted wasn't obtainable.You guyz run off at the lips.Wil...has no room to talk.He's PO'd 'cause he thought he might have the job.I "NEVER" promised him ****.He didn't like the Matting/Cable[Welding]/etc.He can take a Flying **** for himself.
No one here knows crap of what I wanted.No One.
As Fran said.If I wanted a certain look...and installers didn't want to do that...*Bottom Line*...It's what I would have wanted.*I HAVE TO LIVE W/IT...RIGHT ?*Don't waste your freakin' time
or Mine.There were more BS Excuses/p*ssin' & moanin'
about it.
I'm not throwin' out my gear to pacify what they want to use.The gear is fine.They didn't want to use Aluminum/Do Welding/Steel/Rivnutz/.No freakin' boring/played out/Painted Fiberglass.I wanted a *Black Vinyl Look*.Where is that so difficult to do??????.I live in New York.How the hell would I be there everyday to *Bug Them*???.I have *That Right* to know/have picz & verbal communication/and know what's goin' on...Wouldn't you???.
I think From what I've Seen & Read that there is No ambition/initiative/self moitivation to do anything more that the basic things to get an install done.Nothin' More/Nuthin' Less.
You guyz spend more useless time/raggin'/back biting/etc....than YOU do anything else/:doh:!!!!!.
I have bought some Black OEM Interior Items for my Stang.A mint 25th Anniversary dash/Seatbelts/etc.Why the hell would I pay $2500.00 to have a Dash made??.
How would you feel if your Pride & Joy was neglected/no concern for the property of others...HUH??????.
Why did I just type that? It's *Just Another Car...Next*.
Right?
I repeat."I NEVER asked for the Impossible".Everything I said I wanted was mentioned "Upfront",BEFORE it left my home enroute to any shop!!.
Get a ****in' Life....

[The 12v Insider]

damn...this just gets uglier and uglier

[EcotecRacer]

Ray say whatever you want
I've talked to Will on the phone, I've talked to Jim on the phone, both have a great background in installs
Will has plenty of cliente, that compete and I am sure most of them come with their own gear for him to do the installs with......i doubt that was an issue

Jim helped me design my system and none of my gear was through him at all.......He even suggested against some products he sold for my install actually


So you can defend yourself all you wish and you can have your side of the story, noone is stopping you. I'mma go by the couple sides I have heard that are very very similiar and that is that. Get over it

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

Ray say whatever you want
I've talked to Will on the phone, I've talked to Jim on the phone, both have a great background in installs
Will has plenty of cliente, that compete and I am sure most of them come with their own gear for him to do the installs with......i doubt that was an issue

Jim helped me design my system and none of my gear was through him at all.......He even suggested against some products he sold for my install actually


So you can defend yourself all you wish and you can have your side of the story, noone is stopping you. I'mma go by the couple sides I have heard that are very very similiar and that is that. Get over it
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ER/
Yessss.How nice.You believe what you heard/:think:...Why not go support your buddies???.
You still don't have a clue dude.
2nd]Take Your own Advice...Get Over it...and worry about your own life.I have skeletons???. People who live in Glass houses...

[EcotecRacer]

LMAO too funny indeed

[johnl]

Bottom line:

1. If the shop is going to give you a serious discount to do the job as a "mercy fuk" then this should be clear to both sides. I've handed my car over to a buddy for 2 months to get something that would have been done in a week, but I had the understanding that it would be done on his time in order to save a bunch of money. However, if I thought that I was paying full retail, then I would have expected the car back quickly.

2. Before doing a job, it should be clear what is going to be done. The installer should either accept the owner's plans, or get the owner to accept the installer's plans, before the car rolls into the bay. Afterwards, the plan should be applied and neither party should bitch about the other one; unless

3. Change orders occur. I think this is what kills most people and is the cause of bad blood in a lot of instances. Sometimes change order occurs because the Installer sees a problem, more often it is because the owner thought of more stuff they want done. Either way it is tricky, and both sides need to realize that there needs to be some give and take on it.

It looks like ray spent some considerable coin. It might not have been full retail, but it was a bunch of money. Ray I understand where you are coming from. I also see where Jim is coming from--in my business life I had to walk away from some clients because the money could not offset the relational aspects.

Without knowing more of the details, I recommend that both of you guys chalk this up as a learning experience, and that for everyone else to stop fueling the fire.

You guys should also stop acossting Ray. //d/d/d/d///////dddd///!!!!!!/.d.dd......}}}}{{{{{}{{}{0((()))()()()((*&&^^%54#^%#%@%$@%#^#*

On another note, Ray, don't ship your car off to anyone else unless you have a single clear idea of what you want to do and you have complete buy in on what the installer is going to do and do not want to make any change orders.

Good luck!

[JBONDOx]

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ER/
Yessss.How nice.You believe what you heard/:think:...Why not go support your buddies???.
You still don't have a clue dude.


What does he not have a clue about? You say i was BSing? The install would of been done, the stupid way you wanted, you just had to come up with some coin, after months and months of your crap there, all your BS on/off again, and no money... hell yeah we are going to tell you to pay up... you are a complete moron, trying to come off like you got jacked

Tell everyone hear your plans.. lets start with the doors.

2 6 1/2" midbass's in a door. now it isn't impossible if you never gave a crap about ergonomics or functionality, but they would of stuck out too far, or played straight into the seat, or if you offset it it would be where the window switches are... and tell everyone the requirement... it was 2 of some old Image Dynamics midbasses... let everyone know here how that was going to happen? you are stupid, and i tried to point it out to you nicely when saying either do one or do the components in the door and add the midbass in the kicks.

Anyone with a half a brain or cares about their vehicles functionality will tell you, you are an F'n idiot. you come here after 3 shops told you that you were a moron, and play the role... let's see 3

STFU arse

[*MustangGT/25YRS*]

Bottom line:

1. If the shop is going to give you a serious discount to do the job as a "mercy fuk" then this should be clear to both sides. I've handed my car over to a buddy for 2 months to get something that would have been done in a week, but I had the understanding that it would be done on his time in order to save a bunch of money. However, if I thought that I was paying full retail, then I would have expected the car back quickly.

2. Before doing a job, it should be clear what is going to be done. The installer should either accept the owner's plans, or get the owner to accept the installer's plans, before the car rolls into the bay. Afterwards, the plan should be applied and neither party should bitch about the other one; unless

3. Change orders occur. I think this is what kills most people and is the cause of bad blood in a lot of instances. Sometimes change order occurs because the Installer sees a problem, more often it is because the owner thought of more stuff they want done. Either way it is tricky, and both sides need to realize that there needs to be some give and take on it.

It looks like ray spent some considerable coin. It might not have been full retail, but it was a bunch of money. Ray I understand where you are coming from. I also see where Jim is coming from--in my business life I had to walk away from some clients because the money could not offset the relational aspects.

Without knowing more of the details, I recommend that both of you guys chalk this up as a learning experience, and that for everyone else to stop fueling the fire.

You guys should also stop acossting Ray. //d/d/d/d///////dddd///!!!!!!/.d.dd......}}}}{{{{{}{{}{0((()))()()()((*&&^^%54#^%#%@%$@%#^#*

On another note, Ray, don't ship your car off to anyone else unless you have a single clear idea of what you want to do and you have complete buy in on what the installer is going to do and do not want to make any change orders.

Good luck!
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Hello John/
I appreciate what you just said...and it's true.[ER...It wouldn't be so LMAO...If it were You/:think:...huh?] Yes,John,I have spent quite some Denaro on this gear.And honestly...no,not all was at Retail prices...but most was damm close.The approximate retail prices is around $10,000.00.
I love my N.O.S. Kicker amps,and want them to be part of the system.Gary Biggs says he still sees cars runing old school gear w/no issues.If one were to have issues,I'd send it back to Kicker,or another guy I just found that would do them/:).
I'm tired of the BS from all...especially one that really doesn't frequent unless it's a *Tinkker* or Ray trash session/:boring:. But anyways,Thank You John,sincerely.
I understand and appreciate your Input.Take Care.
Kind Regards/
Raymond
The Stang has to be painted,but will have 3/4 coats of clear on this time around.

[EcotecRacer]

Tinker I've had my money wasted and know what? I sucked it up and moved the **** on, it was my fault my money got wasted

If you are tired of the bashing move on, or get thicker skin but dont come here thinking people are not going to pick a side in a debate/arguement.

[®]

I've seen hundreds of these "car got started and never finished" stories and they all follow a common thread.

It is sort of like marriages.

Some were never meant to be and you'll never know the whole story, even if you were there for the whole deal.

How about we call this one of those deals and move on folks. ;)

[CraigMBA]

I've seen hundreds of these "car got started and never finished" stories and they all follow a common thread.

It is sort of like marriages.

Some were never meant to be and you'll never know the whole story, even if you were there for the whole deal.

How about we call this one of those deals and move on folks. ;)

Yeah, but this thread is so much more!