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dsz71
08-07-2005, 12:46 PM
They have the old school look of the 45/75, but what about the performance? I doubt they are the same as the amp of yester-year. And your thoughts...?

D.T.Sealy
08-07-2005, 01:29 PM
They certainly aren't the old amps, and to me that's a really good thing. The new series of amps are far superior to their old brethren, in terms of output and reliability.

I know someone is bound to come on here and talk about how his old school Punch 45 drove his 18's to the point that the neighbors ears bled, but the fact of the matter is that the new ones are more powerful. The other day I called Termlab and figured while I had Wayne Harris on the phone I'd ask him about classic Power 1000's, since I have one. His thoughts on the subject were as follows: "The classic Power 1000's are a lot like your first girlfriend, they hold that magical place in your memory, but you can buy a modest four channel amp these days that will surpass their performance." I think that sums it up pretty well.

Here's a link to a comparison of the two amps being discussed: P45old vs P45new PDF (http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/scripts/rightnow.cfg/php.exe/enduser/fattach_get.php?p_sid=V4yjSpMh&p_tbl=9&p_id=418&p_created=1115403179)

[ August 07, 2005, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: D.T.Sealy ]

MacLeod
08-07-2005, 02:32 PM
I agree. I like the throwback look of the amps but like the modern technology in them.

Collyn
08-07-2005, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by D.T.Sealy:
"The classic Power 1000's are a lot like your first girlfriend, they hold that magical place in your memory, but you can buy a modest four channel amp these days that will surpass their performance."
I completely agree!!!!
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couchflambeau
08-07-2005, 04:56 PM
I wish the same could be said for Soundstream.... They're more like the GF that got away....

glennQNYC
08-08-2005, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by dsz71:
your thoughts...? The 25-to-life Punch amps are argueably the coolest looking amps available this year IMO... But I'm biased. I had a bunch of those old Fosgate Punch amps way back... ahh.. :cool:

glennQ

soundqualitysentra
08-08-2005, 04:05 AM
I agree they look great

imported_ironmaiden1967
08-08-2005, 07:25 AM
The 45 is about twice as big as the one i ownwed in 1989 or 90, brain fart; I think 89. That little 45 bridged to a 12" MTX Blue Thunder was 1 bad mofo for the size. :D

imported_ironmaiden1967
08-08-2005, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by couchflambeau:
I wish the same could be said for Soundstream.... They're more like the GF that got away.... Amen graemlins/cry.gif

JiggaFan
08-08-2005, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by ironmaiden1967:
The 45 is about twice as big as the one i ownwed in 1989 or 90, brain fart; I think 89. That little 45 bridged to a 12" MTX Blue Thunder was 1 bad mofo for the size. :D how much did a Punch 45/Punch 75 cost new in their model year?

how many watts RMS did each amp consistently put out?

as a former student of Economics, I'm curious to see what the real price of original Punch amps are in terms of 2005 dollars.

even here in "the hood", most of our 25 - 35 year old customers speak highly of the "ol skool punch XX" amps. yet they cringe at MAP pricing on the 2005 Punch/Power amplifiers.

as a general rule, i thought it was assumed that price doubles every 30 years. in line with that, this constant dollar calculator on the Fed Reserve website (http://minneapolisfed.org/Research/data/us/calc/index.cfm) states that $200 in 1990 is the same as $297.95 in 2005. The Punch 3002/3001 amps are priced at least $50 below that and consistently do 300W+.

maybe it's the same consumer feeling about paying $2.28 per gallon for gas when they remember "a time" when the same gallon of gas (wattage) was less than $1.28 per gallon.

Federal Reserve constant dollar calculator (http://minneapolisfed.org/Research/data/us/calc/index.cfm)

Andy_Jones
08-08-2005, 12:41 PM
The Punch 45HD was $250-$275 around 1991.

The Punch 40i was $220 in 1995

japosey
08-08-2005, 06:59 PM
The new 45 is over $100 more than the old 45 so it should outperform it.

RFCV115
08-08-2005, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by ironmaiden1967:
That little 45 bridged to a 12" MTX Blue Thunder was 1 bad mofo for the size. :D I have been running a Punch 150 bridged to 1 15" since 89 in a Honda Civic Hatch and still love the set up to this very day! The sub since 99 is a Cerwin Vega 'Vega'. The other Punch 150 to the high end. 17 speakers total. System is very loud and kicks a$$!! :eek:

[ August 08, 2005, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: RFCV115 ]

johnvroom
08-08-2005, 09:14 PM
The old Rockfords were ahead of their time they loved to go to the low impedances when most amps had issues under 4 ohms.

The old Soundstreams were good for the day, but I dont think they are as competitive now. (I had to send an amp in for service and the old Soundstream still gets the job done though).

RFCV115
08-08-2005, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by JP:
The new 45 is over $100 more than the old 45 so it should outperform it. Just because it costs more does not necessarily mean it will outperform it. Bringing back vintage old school amps for their 25th anniversary justifies alone the higher costs. ;)

Just stating a point above. I have heard from a reliable source that the new 25 TO LIFE amps will be more powerful than the old. There is a very limited supply so I do not worry about them overtaking the old. Besides many of them will be showcased and not used daily.

RFCV115
08-08-2005, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by JiggaFan:
how much did a Punch 45/Punch 75 cost new in their model year?


The Punch 150 (2nd gen 89) was $515.




how many watts RMS did each amp consistently put out?


Now that's where they stood out and still do. The RF amps from that era were VERY underrated in power output!! My Punch 150 was 'rated' at 150w x 1 @ 4 ohms and 180w x 1 @ 2 ohms. (My a$$) :rolleyes: More like 350-450w x 1 @ 4/2 ohms! The birthsheet states 177.3w x 2 when they were 'rated' at 75/90w x 2. Cheater amps for sure! ;)


even here in "the hood", most of our 25 - 35 year old customers speak highly of the "ol skool punch XX" amps.36 here.

BTW, let's not forget that power can come cheaper these days compared with back then. The more technology gets evolved, the more mass produced things become and therefore lose the 'true' old school way of "doing things by hand with blood, sweat and tears". That's why the old school is still respected. ;)

lostdutchman70523
08-08-2005, 10:30 PM
any pics of the new amps

japosey
08-09-2005, 12:55 AM
For those of you living in caves:

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/home/index.asp

bigredgotee
08-10-2005, 07:19 PM
oh if only orion would do a xtr2250 "the beast" same heatsink but with two options, 1 about 3500 watts d class and 2 a 150wx4 a/b THAT WOULD kick but hell even just bringing them back all original would make me very happy i would buy at least 4 or 5 of them and to all you old school guys check this out http://www.soundstream.com/sub/products_subs_SPL.html they actually brought them back!!!!!